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Scorpion
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| Seoulman69 wrote: |
Please name and shame the unis doing this so I can avoid them in the future.
Thanks. |
Agreed....at least give us a hint of its location, and we can connect the dots. |
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 3:57 am Post subject: |
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I am really curious about this.
1. After you start your 4th year they cannot legally get rid of you at private universities. If you are an E visa holder they can decide not to renew your visa but if you're an F visa holder they can't get rid of you without cause.
2. Private universities also need to give 4 months notice of non renewal.
I have seen the source for number 2 (http://english.mest.go.kr/web/42211/en/board/enview.do?bbsId=280&pageSize=10¤tPage=9&boardSeq=21807&mode=view) but I have never seen a source for number 1. I've seen it discussed on this board (and others) but I have never seen an official link. Anyone have one?
(edited to make sense)
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hogwonguy1979
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: the racoon den
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Well my univ put in a what I've been told is a dubious at best clause in our contracts. It says if we are in the bottom 20% of faculty evals for 2 consecutive semesters we can't be renewed. This replaced the 4 years and out rule many of us were under (there were some teachers which that didn't apply too).
Of course they didn't bother to tell us except in the broadest sense what the evals consist of (student and some sort of non-student eval) |
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big_fella1
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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BUMP
I am really curious about this.
I have seen the source for number 2 (http://english.mest.go.kr/web/42211/en/board/enview.do?bbsId=280&pageSize=10¤tPage=9&boardSeq=21807&mode=view) but I have never seen a source for number 1. I've seen it discussed on this board (and others) but I have never seen an official link. Anyone have one? |
In the document link you provided 54-4 3, I think covers it after the first contract and 3 years you are no longer a term teacher.
Actually reading that clause, it looks pretty dubious that all foreigners are employed as term teachers.
BTW I haer that these protections apply regardless of citizenship or visa status however if you have an E1 then you would need to be able to support yourself and the legal case in Korea without working until it was resolved. |
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I'm With You
Joined: 01 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:01 am Post subject: Re: Forced resignation |
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A couple of months ago my university sent all professors w/o Masters degrees letters of resignation. I did not sign mine as I'm not planning to extend my contract with the university. It also stated on the form that our last salary would be reduced if resignation was by own dismissal. My contract ends on the 28/02/13 and I have one paycheck to go. Today I received an email stating that if I did not sign the letter of resignation that I would not receive my final paycheck.
I haven't replied to the email and I will not resign. Any advice would be greatly welcomed. |
We expect universities to behave better than language schools, but many don't. You need to tell as many people the name of this university.
It needs to be shamed for bullying the teachers to quit. This is serious.
You work for an abusive institution.
Good luck. |
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I'm With You
Joined: 01 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:08 am Post subject: |
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| diver wrote: |
BUMP
I am really curious about this.
I have seen the source for number 2 (http://english.mest.go.kr/web/42211/en/board/enview.do?bbsId=280&pageSize=10¤tPage=9&boardSeq=21807&mode=view) but I have never seen a source for number 1. I've seen it discussed on this board (and others) but I have never seen an official link. Anyone have one? |
In the document link you provided 54-4 3, I think covers it after the first contract and 3 years you are no longer a term teacher.
Actually reading that clause, it looks pretty dubious that all foreigners are employed as term teachers.
BTW I haer that these protections apply regardless of citizenship or visa status however if you have an E1 then you would need to be able to support yourself and the legal case in Korea without working until it was resolved. |
We are contract laborers. Not actually employees of the universities. We are like the plumber you contract when you build your house. When you don't need him anymore you tell him to go.
We are invited guests and so we don't have much in the way of rights to fall back on when universities abuse us. |
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big_fella1
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 6:46 am Post subject: |
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| I'm With You wrote: |
| big_fella1 wrote: |
| diver wrote: |
BUMP
I am really curious about this.
I have seen the source for number 2 (http://english.mest.go.kr/web/42211/en/board/enview.do?bbsId=280&pageSize=10¤tPage=9&boardSeq=21807&mode=view) but I have never seen a source for number 1. I've seen it discussed on this board (and others) but I have never seen an official link. Anyone have one? |
In the document link you provided 54-4 3, I think covers it after the first contract and 3 years you are no longer a term teacher.
Actually reading that clause, it looks pretty dubious that all foreigners are employed as term teachers.
BTW I haer that these protections apply regardless of citizenship or visa status however if you have an E1 then you would need to be able to support yourself and the legal case in Korea without working until it was resolved. |
We are contract laborers. Not actually employees of the universities. We are like the plumber you contract when you build your house. When you don't need him anymore you tell him to go.
We are invited guests and so we don't have much in the way of rights to fall back on when universities abuse us. |
Tell that to the guy who won a case against his university and received wages for the year he didn't work and reinstatement.
We have rights, whether it's worth fighting for them is an individuals decision.
As for you plumber analogy, I don't know where you're from but in my country plumbers earn much more than Korean professors, or Australian lecturers for that matter.
Finally you may be a guest but this is my home. |
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ajosshi
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
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I'm With You
Joined: 01 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 8:28 am Post subject: |
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| big_fella1 wrote: |
| I'm With You wrote: |
| big_fella1 wrote: |
| diver wrote: |
BUMP
I am really curious about this.
I have seen the source for number 2 (http://english.mest.go.kr/web/42211/en/board/enview.do?bbsId=280&pageSize=10¤tPage=9&boardSeq=21807&mode=view) but I have never seen a source for number 1. I've seen it discussed on this board (and others) but I have never seen an official link. Anyone have one? |
In the document link you provided 54-4 3, I think covers it after the first contract and 3 years you are no longer a term teacher.
Actually reading that clause, it looks pretty dubious that all foreigners are employed as term teachers.
BTW I haer that these protections apply regardless of citizenship or visa status however if you have an E1 then you would need to be able to support yourself and the legal case in Korea without working until it was resolved. |
We are contract laborers. Not actually employees of the universities. We are like the plumber you contract when you build your house. When you don't need him anymore you tell him to go.
We are invited guests and so we don't have much in the way of rights to fall back on when universities abuse us. |
Tell that to the guy who won a case against his university and received wages for the year he didn't work and reinstatement.
We have rights, whether it's worth fighting for them is an individuals decision.
As for you plumber analogy, I don't know where you're from but in my country plumbers earn much more than Korean professors, or Australian lecturers for that matter.
Finally you may be a guest but this is my home. |
I know, son. This is your home; you've gone native.
But you're pissing in the wind. You don't belong here, nor are you wanted here - at least not beyond a 1 or 2 year contract.
They don't want you here forever! |
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big_fella1
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 8:52 am Post subject: |
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| I'm With You wrote: |
| big_fella1 wrote: |
| I'm With You wrote: |
| big_fella1 wrote: |
| diver wrote: |
BUMP
I am really curious about this.
I have seen the source for number 2 (http://english.mest.go.kr/web/42211/en/board/enview.do?bbsId=280&pageSize=10¤tPage=9&boardSeq=21807&mode=view) but I have never seen a source for number 1. I've seen it discussed on this board (and others) but I have never seen an official link. Anyone have one? |
In the document link you provided 54-4 3, I think covers it after the first contract and 3 years you are no longer a term teacher.
Actually reading that clause, it looks pretty dubious that all foreigners are employed as term teachers.
BTW I haer that these protections apply regardless of citizenship or visa status however if you have an E1 then you would need to be able to support yourself and the legal case in Korea without working until it was resolved. |
We are contract laborers. Not actually employees of the universities. We are like the plumber you contract when you build your house. When you don't need him anymore you tell him to go.
We are invited guests and so we don't have much in the way of rights to fall back on when universities abuse us. |
Tell that to the guy who won a case against his university and received wages for the year he didn't work and reinstatement.
We have rights, whether it's worth fighting for them is an individuals decision.
As for you plumber analogy, I don't know where you're from but in my country plumbers earn much more than Korean professors, or Australian lecturers for that matter.
Finally you may be a guest but this is my home. |
I know, son. This is your home; you've gone native.
But you're pissing in the wind. You don't belong here, nor are you wanted here - at least not beyond a 1 or 2 year contract.
They don't want you here forever! |
Oh I know that some Koreans want me to go home and I will, but as the expiry date on my ARC says never, it'll be on my terms.
As far as going native it's not for me to judge, but I still get annoyed everytime I drive. I stop for red lights and I currently have a discrimination case before the human rights commission. Finally I'm here pointing out how foreigners can keep their jobs. You're right just going with the flow. |
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I'm With You
Joined: 01 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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Big Fella,
All the best to you, then.
What a lot of the people here fail to realize is that these EFL teaching jobs in Korea were never meant to be career jobs. They were jobs designed to have a Canadian come over for 1 or 2 years and then go home. These jobs were never meant to be longer than that. Besides, as I already pointed out, they don't want us here forever! One or two years at most, and then they're happy to see us leave.
Even at the university level, many positions are now capped at 2 - 4 years with no possibility of renewal. They want to keep their foreigners fresh |
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big_fella1
Joined: 08 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 1:39 am Post subject: |
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| Back to the OP, it is ILLEGAL to recomend a teacher resign.�Article 56 (Prohibition of Temporary Retirement and Dismissal from Office Contrary to One's Will)(1) No teacher of a private school shall be subject to such unfavorable treatment asretirement or dismissal from office, etc. against his will except by sentence of penalty,disciplinary action or other reason as determined by this Act: Provided, That the same shall not apply when he has been abolished from office or when excessive numbers of teachers result from the alteration and abolition of school classes and subjects.(2) No teacher of private school shall be subject to any advice to resign.[This Article Wholly Amended by Act No. 3373, Feb. 28, 1981] |
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