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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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 Posted: Mon Apr 22, 2013 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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| 300'000 - 500'000?!? What kind of ripoff vets are you going to? Look around some more. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:18 am Post subject: |
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| Rutherford wrote: |
How much can it cost to get your cat fixed? 100,000?
If you really aren't going to take care of it and can't find someone to take it you can try giving it away at the traditional market. Find a shop making 고양이소주 (cat wine) and they'll probably be happy to take it. |
Try 300-500k.
What is a cat wine? |
Take a guess.
If you like your cat in any sense, don't give it to a traditional market. I have a feeling cat wine is pretty rare, so knows what they'll do to it.
You can't man up and pay 300k won? Or maybe...won't man up?
Maybe she's better off with someone else. Someone responsible who will actually care for her. You can try Craigslist and Animal Rescue Korea as well.
Or just sacrifice some of your beer money and get the cat fixed like a responsible owner should. |
I dont like the cat in any sense. Pretty much ZERO good qualities.
Paying anything more than 100k for a spay is not gonna happen.
Beer money? lol I rarely drink, most my money goes to bills back home and paying for a masters.
I am just gonna drop this cat off in this big pet store / vet. |
Well, If you don't like her then definitely she's better off with someone else. But it's not just about "liking" the cat or not. You chose to take her in and it is your responsibility to either take care of her or at least try to find her a decent place to live. Next time think more before you act; it's a living thing with actual needs.
Cats can be fairly intuitive; she probably saw "ZERO" good qualities in you either. You've got to earn their trust and based on what you've written here, I'm sure you came up short on that end. I hope her next owner is better.
(That was a bit of a rant, but you deserved it.) |
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NilesQ
Joined: 27 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:41 am Post subject: |
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Take the cat to another neighborhood and put it down. Walk away.
Cats rule the streets in Korea. Let it live free as it was originally intended to.
I don't know why people consider locking up an animal in an apartment, ripping out its reproductive organs, and feeding it chemical laden, store bought pet food is the "humane" thing to do. Let it live wild, eat rats and scavange for food. If humans ceased to exist, cats would do just fine!
Drop it in an alley next to a garbage pile where some big tomcat will impregnate her. Natural selection is the law of nature, humans are the only species that try to fight it! |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| MiXX wrote: |
| Rutherford wrote: |
How much can it cost to get your cat fixed? 100,000?
If you really aren't going to take care of it and can't find someone to take it you can try giving it away at the traditional market. Find a shop making 고양이소주 (cat wine) and they'll probably be happy to take it. |
Try 300-500k.
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Not very much for a loved pet. |
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tran.huongthu
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| NilesQ wrote: |
Take the cat to another neighborhood and put it down. Walk away.
Cats rule the streets in Korea. Let it live free as it was originally intended to.
I don't know why people consider locking up an animal in an apartment, ripping out its reproductive organs, and feeding it chemical laden, store bought pet food is the "humane" thing to do. Let it live wild, eat rats and scavange for food. If humans ceased to exist, cats would do just fine!
Drop it in an alley next to a garbage pile where some big tomcat will impregnate her. Natural selection is the law of nature, humans are the only species that try to fight it! |
The probably is that way too many douchebags have the same idea as you and there is a huge problem in Korea with stray cats. Stray female cats only exacerbate the problem. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:14 am Post subject: |
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| NilesQ wrote: |
Take the cat to another neighborhood and put it down. Walk away.
Cats rule the streets in Korea. Let it live free as it was originally intended to.
I don't know why people consider locking up an animal in an apartment, ripping out its reproductive organs, and feeding it chemical laden, store bought pet food is the "humane" thing to do. Let it live wild, eat rats and scavange for food. If humans ceased to exist, cats would do just fine!
Drop it in an alley next to a garbage pile where some big tomcat will impregnate her. Natural selection is the law of nature, humans are the only species that try to fight it! |
That's an oversimplification and a poor solution to the problem. It's also pretty much a death sentence for the cat.
She will most likely become a starving, disease ridden mess if she even makes it past the first week. And if she breeds she'll add more cats to the mess then quickly deteriorate after that. Likely not the romanticized happy ending you are thinking of.
Even the strongest street cats here in Seoul rarely seem to last more than a year at the very most. It's a harsh environment in most places here and there really isn't that much food for them. Especially if people throw out unfixed cats and the population grows.
Some of them survive for a while but it's out of necessity and not a pretty existence. Throwing a domestic, unfixed cat out into the city borders on cruelty and only adds to the problems. |
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watergirl
Joined: 01 Jul 2008
Location: Ansan, south korea
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| Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:35 am Post subject: |
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Oh my god - please do not jus discard the cat somewhere!
there is a shelter in Seoul that takes cats in and doesn't put them down.
It's called 'Nabiya' cat shelter. they speak English and also have many foreigners helping take care of cats, and u could also ask them about vets that give discounts.
Please just contact them. They have a facebook group and you could just google them as well.
Pm me if u need the girl's number. |
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watergirl
Joined: 01 Jul 2008
Location: Ansan, south korea
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| Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:42 am Post subject: |
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| PS: They had an arrangement with a vet that does the fixing cheaply so as to reduce the stray cat problem here. |
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denverdeath
Joined: 21 May 2005
Location: Boo-sahn
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| Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:38 am Post subject: |
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| PS: They had an arrangement with a vet that does the fixing cheaply so as to reduce the stray cat problem here. |
so, what's the price? i had a male "done" recently and it cost 180,000 before dope, and that was after shopping around. same was 75,000 in korea in '98. at that time, a female was at least 130,000. sure that wasn't the "best" of clinics either. anyway, the poster SEEMINGLY wants to "get rid of it" in a somewhat humane manner. think of it as a divorce or something. sometimes it's better to be apart. we, animals AND humans, don't always get along. |
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MiXX
Joined: 30 Aug 2012
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| Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks I will bring the cat there. |
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NilesQ
Joined: 27 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 7:43 am Post subject: |
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| tran.huongthu wrote: |
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Take the cat to another neighborhood and put it down. Walk away.
Cats rule the streets in Korea. Let it live free as it was originally intended to.
I don't know why people consider locking up an animal in an apartment, ripping out its reproductive organs, and feeding it chemical laden, store bought pet food is the "humane" thing to do. Let it live wild, eat rats and scavange for food. If humans ceased to exist, cats would do just fine!
Drop it in an alley next to a garbage pile where some big tomcat will impregnate her. Natural selection is the law of nature, humans are the only species that try to fight it! |
The probably is that way too many douchebags have the same idea as you and there is a huge problem in Korea with stray cats. Stray female cats only exacerbate the problem. |
Who says cats should live long "happy" lives. And just because we think a cat should be "happy" if it's locked up and fed by a human, doesn't make it so. We attribute human chacacteristics to animals that we consider pets. People don't spend time worrying about how tough it must be for rats in the streets of seoul. Most Koreans view cats much the same way a westerner would rats. They are dirty street/wild animals that don't need my sympathy. It would be like walking into a vet in Canada and saying I want to get my rat neutered to help controll the rat population.
I am an animal lover. I don't promote creulty to animals. I just happen to believe that letting animals live as nature and their surroundings dictate is not creulty. It is freedom. Life is a death sentence. There isn't a fixed number of days you need to stay alive to have your life be considered a success. Cats adapt very quickly to life outside. Even domesticated cats still hunt and kill birds and mice for sport. It is in them to kill. As ling as it hasn't been declawed, it will adapt and fend for itself.
Thanks for calling me a douchebag, Tran. I have an opinion that differs from yours. No need for name calling. |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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The reason this cat is so difficult to deal with is because she hasn't been fixed yet. Her hormones are running wild and telling her to go get pregnant and make more cats! As someone else already pointed out, it probably won't be as expensive as you think. I had my male cat fixed for 100k, it usually costs more for females, but the quotes I've heard are more in the range of 200k.
No redeeming qualities? Get her fixed, and give her a chance. Lots of cats have behavioral problems that could be fixed in a few weeks with a little more play and rearranged furniture. Try watching a few episodes of My Cat From Hell to see some problem cats get turned into loving pets instead of left to die, and get some ideas for how you might be able to deal with this life you're responsible for.
Give her a chance to be the loving pet you wanted when you took her in. |
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MiXX
Joined: 30 Aug 2012
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the cat was not handled properly when it was young. it is very solitary and when you try to pet it, it will always try to mildly bite and scratch (more in a play manner but can hurt and leaves marks).
just isnt the cat / animal for me.
outside of a already housebroken non shedding small dog, animals in korea are just not for me imo.
was an expensive lesson to learn, but it is what it is.... |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| NilesQ wrote: |
| tran.huongthu wrote: |
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Take the cat to another neighborhood and put it down. Walk away.
Cats rule the streets in Korea. Let it live free as it was originally intended to.
I don't know why people consider locking up an animal in an apartment, ripping out its reproductive organs, and feeding it chemical laden, store bought pet food is the "humane" thing to do. Let it live wild, eat rats and scavange for food. If humans ceased to exist, cats would do just fine!
Drop it in an alley next to a garbage pile where some big tomcat will impregnate her. Natural selection is the law of nature, humans are the only species that try to fight it! |
The probably is that way too many douchebags have the same idea as you and there is a huge problem in Korea with stray cats. Stray female cats only exacerbate the problem. |
Who says cats should live long "happy" lives. And just because we think a cat should be "happy" if it's locked up and fed by a human, doesn't make it so. We attribute human chacacteristics to animals that we consider pets. People don't spend time worrying about how tough it must be for rats in the streets of seoul. Most Koreans view cats much the same way a westerner would rats. They are dirty street/wild animals that don't need my sympathy. It would be like walking into a vet in Canada and saying I want to get my rat neutered to help controll the rat population.
I am an animal lover. I don't promote creulty to animals. I just happen to believe that letting animals live as nature and their surroundings dictate is not creulty. It is freedom. Life is a death sentence. There isn't a fixed number of days you need to stay alive to have your life be considered a success. Cats adapt very quickly to life outside. Even domesticated cats still hunt and kill birds and mice for sport. It is in them to kill. As ling as it hasn't been declawed, it will adapt and fend for itself.
Thanks for calling me a douchebag, Tran. I have an opinion that differs from yours. No need for name calling. |
We don't know if you're a douchebag or not, but dumping a pet cat out on the streets just because one is too cheap to care for it is a douchebag move, and that's what you suggested the OP do.
You claimed to be an animal lover but you obviously hate cats, so nobody should take your suggestions regarding them.
Luckily most people don't feel the way you do about it, and even the OP isn't taking your half baked suggestion to throw his own cat into the streets. A certain amount of street cats is normal, and that's the way it is, but don't advocate making more.
Your excuse that everything dies eventually is pretty weak. That kind of thinking could excuse any cruel behavior. It's cruel and irresponsible to throw an unfixed, unsuspecting, tame, PET cat out into the streets. Yes, it will do its best to survive, as all animals would, but in the city will most likely get the s**t beat out of it, catch disease, starve, and die a slow painful death. But hey, she was FREE for a couple weeks! Joyous freedom!
Your rat analogy was silly too. Just because SOME Koreans (and you) might view cats as no better than rats, doesn't mean they are rats or deserve to be treated like them. But this undercuts your argument anyway, because as you admit, Koreans generally don't like cats, so this isn't going to make street life any easier, as many would sooner throw a rock at them than a treat.
There was an article a while ago about an old lady who fed her neighborhood cats and got confronted and beat up for it by some angry ajosshi. Apparently he threw her in the trash bin as well, so while that's just one extreme example, the general climate cats have to deal with and the attitude towards them here is generally not so good.
And with the way the food recycling is, there really isn't that much food available to begin with. Not that you may care, but don't tell us you're an animal lover; just be honest and say that you hate cats and that you hope harm comes to them, and we'll make note of that the next time you have any other suggestions regarding them. |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 2:40 am Post subject: |
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the cat was not handled properly when it was young. it is very solitary and when you try to pet it, it will always try to mildly bite and scratch (more in a play manner but can hurt and leaves marks).
just isnt the cat / animal for me.
outside of a already housebroken non shedding small dog, animals in korea are just not for me imo.
was an expensive lesson to learn, but it is what it is.... |
Your cat sounds exactly like a cat I just adopted at about 6 months of age. He was found on the street and went through at least 2 homes before my wife and I found him. Not affectionate, touchy, more interested in biting, scratching, and hiding than petting and cuddling. I thought I might have made a mistake taking him in, but I read up a bit on problem cat behavior and gave him the play time and positive reinforcement he needed when he was good, and gave him 3-5 minute timeouts in the veranda with his litterbox when he bit.
He's now come such a long way that my wife and I sometimes can't believe he's the same cat. He lets us pet him, he cuddles, and he even purrs on command (sometimes). It took some effort, and yeah, he's cost us money in vet bills, but I wouldn't give this little guy up for the world.
Rise to the occasion, and put in some effort. Trying to re-home your cat could easily be a death sentence. Is that really what you want to do? |
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