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No_hite_pls
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
Location: Don't hate me because I'm right
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 Posted: Sun May 05, 2013 9:57 pm Post subject: Re: Opinions on this job offer? |
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| docmoxie wrote: |
My fiancee and I are trying to decide whether to take a job at a kindergarten / elementary school. We're both first-time teachers (w/ CELTAs), so any advice is appreciated. The school is in Busan, and we'd be teaching 30 hrs/week for 2.1 mil won. 10 days paid vacation and paid flights and housing included. We've already spoken to a teacher there and the place seems solid--great atmosphere, several long-time foreign teachers, and a very modern facility.
Any thoughts? Thanks! |
I won't work in Korea (5,000 miles from my parents) for that but everyone is different.
This is 100% true. When I got here in 2005. I got 2.1, 50 days paid vacation (30 in contract), and 15-45 minute classes a week. I had a 120 hour in-class TESOL and a degree from a good university. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 7:42 am Post subject: |
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| Porksta wrote: |
| With a CELTA, why would you settle for an entry level salary? |
...because you have to take what is available.
Yes, public schools (at least used to) pay 100.000W a month more for CELTA holders.
But thats not much good if there are no public schools hiring is it?
having qualifications hurts your marketability in Korea, it does not help you. Not many schools want to pay extra for qualifications. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 7:42 am Post subject: |
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| grnmle wrote: |
"As for Korea you basically are speculating as your response proved (they could conceivably negotiate). That's fine, everyone has their opinion but this one seems far fetched because ANYONE can negotiate higher salary or better conditions if they have some leverage, this would be non-gender related."
If you think gender doesn't have an impact you have to be deluded. For years, I have read threads on here that talk about how woman are in greater demand. 
You can speculate all day as to why, but you can't deny it. |
So..put up.
What is the ratio in men and women currently employed as FTs in Korea?
What has it been for the past say 10 years (not to go back too far)?
Unless you have those stats, you are basically just assuming.
Demand may be one thing, actual results another. Relative pay is another thing...unless you can show me conclusive numbers that show women make more then men in Korea all this gender talk is just bar stool talk.
A quick search DID reveal some interesting stats that may feed your thinking...
http://populargusts.blogspot.ca/2011/07/fluctuating-e-2-numbers.html
This dates back a couple of years but the trend is interesting.
From 1999 to 2010 the portion of females in the teaching community in Korea went from 33% to 44%, so a 11% rise in 12 years.
This may be due to many things: hiring preference, higher number of female applicants as western universities have more female students now than before and so on.
It is hard to say if the 11% increase is due to hiring preferences alone however. The issue of better pay was not included in this list of stats.
To add some perspective to the "Koreans hate foreigners and do not want them in Korea to teach" we see this:
Number of E-2s in Korea per year 2000-2010.
2000 - 6,414
2002 - 10,864
2004 - 11,344
2005 - 12,439
2006 - 15,001
2007 - 17,721
2008 - 19,771
2009 - 22,642
2010.6 - 23,600
This page also includes a graph detailing E-2s by nationality.
Source: http://populargusts.blogspot.ca/2010/07/more-statistics-on-foreigners-in-korea.html
This at least is factual and offers some sort of start point for an actual discussion based on concrete information. |
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Firearcher
Joined: 22 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Mon May 06, 2013 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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I had to jump in here.
The pay wage gap between the genders is a MYTH. YES you read that right. A myth.
Here is why it is a myth.
1. Despite what we are lead to believe the researchers who compile this stat do not compare the same job. That is to say they do not compare a female secretary with a male secretary and so forth. They lump all jobs together and then take an average. The result is that males occupy more higher paid positions and this is from where the deceptive stat derives.
Averaged out men make more than women. But not in the same job. What would you expect? That an office worker gets paid more than a window washer of a high rise? Or a bridge worker? Or a person who crawls around a sewer?
2. Men occupy more dangerous jobs. Women by contrast typically work indoors and in comfort. Men work in the cold, rain and the elements. That is to say that "those who work in the elements are mostly male". "Those who have dangerous jobs are mostly male".
3. Men work more hours and more over time. The stat fails to take this into account.
4. Women take more time off - mat leave, sick leave, personal unpaid leave.
5. More women take time off to be with their family than do men which also skews the stat.
Do you honestly think that it is possible to take into account and compare all these variables that DO affect the stat? You'd have to do an individual to individual account of exactly how much OT, vacation,. mat leave, sick time etc factored in to each person.
The stat simply takes an average and trots it out as males making more.
It's misleading |
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