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[Kuros]

NSA Whistleblower comes forward

[Fox]

"Countries that believe in free speech and oppose the victimization of global privacy." Growing up, I would have believed America was such a country. I was certainly taught such.

[Unposter]

Of course, I was taught that, too, but American history shows a different story.

There has always been limits to free speach. Remember when yelling fire in a crowded theater was an example of the limits. That was not overturn I think somewhere around the 60s/70s when some KKK guy on TV said he was going to overthrow the country - and as it turned out - he has a right to say anything as long as he doesn't actually do it. Even burning the flag is now considered protected speach but that was not American history and it certainly upsets more people than who like it.

And as my constituational prof taught, "Show me in the constitution where it says you have a right to privacy?" According to him, we don't have one.

Anyway, you look at the Red Scare, the House Committee for Un American Activities, FBI spying/blackmailing of politicians and general wire taping (I had a prof whose fun was regularly tapped).

It has always been there. We just don't talk about it.

The only reason we are talking about it now is because Obama is President. And, when he isn't, chances are, we won't be talking about it anymore.

[caniff]

[Fox]

[caniff]

[young_clinton]

[Kuros]

I never could embrace Bradley Manning. I didn't see an indiscriminate dump of diplomatic data as anything to admire, even if there were pockets of shit uncovered from the legitimately privileged information that he revealed. But Snowden is different. He is a true whistleblower, revealing precisely as much as he should, and doing it in the right way.

I cannot wait to see how they try to destroy the poor bastard.

[caniff]

From what I'm reading on the "blog-o-sphere" (I canceled my cable long ago as TV is full of shit), the MSM has largely been tripping all over itself to send the message that this is all a "no-biggie", and I heard there was a PEW report that something like 56% of Americans are cool with the NSA's antics. What?! Astounding.

Seriously, it's hard to respect people here sometimes and I've just about had it with the US. I've tried (really) and I have been successful here in most measurable respects during the last few years since my return, but what with the spiraling taxes and countless other instances of nonsense (now Obamacare rearing its head), I'm about done. I guess a citizenry does get the government it deserves. The mouth-breathers can own this mess - it sure has nothing to do with me.

I hear the hills of Papua New Guinea are lovely this time of year (just make sure you don't end up as the main course at a local feast, and it's all good).

[rollo]

Sadly I can remember the time when Snowden would have been hailed as a hero. Now he is being hunted.

Disgusting! the whole thing. Caniff is about right. The big picture here is that if the U.S. can do it and is doing it then everyone else is too. Do not be naive.

Some one wrote that Orwell had it wrong that the box will not watch us but when we can not stop watching the box Big Brother wins.

[ttompatz]

Is this the birth or perhaps more of a resurgence of the ideology in America that militarism should dominate the political and social life of the nation, and that the strength of the military is equal to the strength of a nation?

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[Fox]

[rollo]

What is amazing is that some seemed surprised about this.


Well Snowden has stated that his problem was that the security personell had too much liberty to do as they pleased. So is this a few rogues or a policy.

Yeah being able to defend your nation is pretty much a good thing, depending on others not so much.

[bucheon bum]

So what can a person do? I voted against Feinstein twice (even though I'm sure her opponents would have also suported such crap). I currently live in a place that has no representation in Congress. I can write letters to congressmen, but I might as well piss in the wind.

Any suggestions? Sincere question.

[Leslie Cheswyck]