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Homer
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| BUT, the fact that they have so grossly overpopulated their country certainly says something. |
What does it say exactly?
Curious here as what "it says" could then apply to many nations on Earth...perhaps a good start for a PHD thesis in demographics.... |
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just because
Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964
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| Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2004 11:27 am Post subject: |
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I come from one of the least crowded countries on earth but I don't seriously feel it is crowded here as i don't live in the huge metropolis I suppose.
Its all about making good use of your own personal space. |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...
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| Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2004 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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| When Koreans give you "facts" about Korea be careful. I had the pleasure of listening in on a business meeting the other day where the Korean owner informed the western sales person with utmost sincerity that Samsung was a better and more advanced electronics company than Sony. |
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jay-shi
Joined: 09 May 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2004 2:31 am Post subject: |
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| kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote: |
| When Koreans give you "facts" about Korea be careful. I had the pleasure of listening in on a business meeting the other day where the Korean owner informed the western sales person with utmost sincerity that Samsung was a better and more advanced electronics company than Sony. |
Actually that may not be true yet, but may be in a few years.
MIT's Nicholas Negroponte talks about it in his latest interview with Business Week.
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_25/b3888606.htm |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2004 2:35 am Post subject: yes |
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| I certainly try to keep in mind about how crowded this place is, but Koreans sure as heck don't make it easy on themselves and each other. They deal with the corwdedness by pretending others don't exist. Just compounds the problem. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2004 9:33 am Post subject: |
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| kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote: |
| When Koreans give you "facts" about Korea be careful. I had the pleasure of listening in on a business meeting the other day where the Korean owner informed the western sales person with utmost sincerity that Samsung was a better and more advanced electronics company than Sony. |
Samsung has gone on a tear. They went upscale a few years back and have gone on to decimate Sony in a number traditional markets that Sony used to dominate in such as TVs and memory cards. Plus Samsung is the largest LCD screen, video camera, computer monitor, and memory chip maker in the world. Cash dollars, they are #2 in PCS phones while Sony has long since ceased to be. I think MD is cool and all, but Samsung sells more MP3 players than Sony does MD players. All the while Samsung invested heavily into R&D and are now not only staking out patents for new products but are now earning heavy royalties from companies outside Korea. Etc., etc.
Sony's still a larger company in terms of total sales, but that's also due to their owning film studios and music companies. On strictly tech sales, Samsung is larger. Profitabiliy, Samsung is murdering Sony. Samsung posted a profit of more than $5B US last year while Sony posted a profit around $800 million. Of that, from what I recall, over 80% of the company's profits came from the PlayStation despite only being a small percentage of the company sales. The other divisions were either near flatlined or money losers.
Plus Sony is currently downsizing and has laid off thousands while Samsung is hiring.
Here's a good write-up about Samsung from last week that was on a site I read regularly.
http://news.com.com/Business%3A+An+industry+stalwart+is+reborn+-+Part+2+of+South+Korea%27s+Digital+Dynasty/2009-1040_3-5239550.html?tag=nl |
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chi-chi
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mods you may delete
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phaedrus
Joined: 13 Nov 2003
Location: I'm comin' to get ya.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 1:01 am Post subject: |
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| Homer wrote: |
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| BUT, the fact that they have so grossly overpopulated their country certainly says something. |
What does it say exactly?
Curious here as what "it says" could then apply to many nations on Earth...perhaps a good start for a PHD thesis in demographics.... |
It says they are socially and environmentally irresponsible, much like other nations in the world.
Canada is one of the few countries left that can make a true difference in their future population development.
If Canada and other similar in size nations such as Russia, America, and Australia go the way of Korea we will have no wildlife larger than a gopher. |
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Kwangjuchicken
Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:34 am Post subject: |
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| phaedrus wrote: |
| Homer wrote: |
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| BUT, the fact that they have so grossly overpopulated their country certainly says something. |
What does it say exactly?
Curious here as what "it says" could then apply to many nations on Earth...perhaps a good start for a PHD thesis in demographics.... |
It says they are socially and environmentally irresponsible, much like other nations in the world.
Canada is one of the few countries left that can make a true difference in their future population development.
If Canada and other similar in size nations such as Russia, America, and Australia go the way of Korea we will have no wildlife larger than a gopher. |
Not to mention no oxygen.
Koreans are the first to point out that the west makes more pollution. Well, I think we should start looking at how much is made according to land size. Then, I would imagine Korea would be a 100 times bigger polluter than, for example, The USA.
Most Koreans say that the air where I am now is clean, compared to many other places in Korea. And yet, the building my classes is in is a huge 21 story building just s few hundred feet from the dorm. And yet, at times it is very blurry looking because the air is so polluted.
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 5:42 am Post subject: yes |
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| Just because we have more land doesn't give us the excuse to make more pollution, though you are right. |
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Demophobe
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Surely we cannot base our levels of pollution production on land size?!?
The US does produce more pollution (6 times the population as well...is it 6 times more productive in regards to pollution? Dunno....), but it's harder to see because of the vastness of the country....that makes it ok? Or acceptable in any way? I don't think so, and nor do I think that rationale holds much water.
Perhaps a more pertinent argument... consider the type of pollution and how it's dealt with. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 6:57 am Post subject: |
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| Also consider that Korea is still on the fast pace of modernization and that Canada and the US are considered more "advanced" nations and yet pollute more in volume.... |
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jaebea
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 6:58 am Post subject: |
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The type of pollution is pretty much dependent on the type of industry that's turning the wheels of the country.
Australia has a lot of agricultural based waste. Obviously, Korea wouldn't be worried about that sort at all, compared to the other big hitters.
I think CO2 in tonnes per person is a pretty good estimate, but once again, the type of industry that drives the nation would be the greatest determining factor. And that can come down to all sorts of variables such as history, natural resources, etc.
Korea is one of the largest big-ship builders in the world. It possesses several of the world's largest dry docks, and is the go-to place for tankers and container ships.
Heavy industry like that isn't easy on the environment.
On the other hand, Australia has cows. Lots of cows. The sheer amount of cow manure that is pumped out of the arses of cows every day, would make the mind boggle. That isn't so easy on the environment either.
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Dr. Buck
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Gord,
You can blow Samsung all you want and believe whatever misled business journalist writes them up as, but it doesn't change the fact that they are low-rent thieves in the intellectual property department, carrying on the fine Korean tradition of counterfeiting the ideas born elsewhere and manufacturing them on the cheap.
Univ. of Wisconsin Sues Samsung for Infringing Patent Rights
http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200405/200405050034.html
Matsushita Charges Samsung with Patent Infringement
http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/962911
( BW)(FUJITSU-LIMITED) Fujitsu Initiates Legal Action Against Samsung SDI; Alleges Infringement of PDP Patents in Claims Filed in Japan and the U.S.
http://www.businesswire.com/webbox/bw.040604/240975923.htm
http://www.cooltechzone.com/reviews/video_cards/samsung_001.php
��a permanent injunction barring Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd., and Samsung Semiconductor, Inc. (collectively ��Samsung��), from making, using, offering for sale, selling, or importing into the United States any components, devices, or products infringing U.S. Patent No. 4,959,699 (��the ��699 patent��), owned by International Rectifier Corporation (��IR��).��
http://www.ll.georgetown.edu/federal/judicial/fed/opinions/02opinions/02-1324.html
Samsung faces patent suit over compact disc players
http://www.detnews.com/2002/technology/0206/08/technology-509655.htm
MOSAID: Samsung Litigation Update
http://www.mosaid.com/licensing/samsung_litigation_update.htm
Two former employees of Samsung Electronincs Co., Ltd. (��Samsung��) brought a lawsuit against Samsung seeking damages for Samsung��s alleged infringement of their patent. According to the former employees, Samsung earned profits by unlawfully using their patented method of typing Korean characters into a certain type of Samsung cellular phone.
http://www.yoonpartners.co.kr/eng/publication/publication_2_8.asp
Samsung And SanDisk Sign Patent Cross License And Supply Agreements Covering Flash Memory Technology
Both Companies Will Dismiss Pending Patent Infringements Lawsuits Against Each Other
http://www.sandisk.com/pressrelease/020819_samsung.htm |
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Gord
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 8:24 am Post subject: |
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Gord,
You can blow Samsung all you want and believe whatever misled business journalist writes them up as, but it doesn't change the fact that they are low-rent thieves in the intellectual property department, carrying on the fine Korean tradition of counterfeiting the ideas born elsewhere and manufacturing them on the cheap. |
Lovely claims, but do you have any links to cases where people actually won?
Things like the Fujitsu suit came up after Samsung filed suit against them first for patent infringement. They later kissed and made up.
Or the from International Rectifier Corporation actually ended up with IRC owing $2.5M US to Samsung, though eventually the appeals court just tossed everything out.
The patent suit from TechSeach is bizarre. It's a patent for the crazy idea that an CD player can play MP3s. The bizarre part is that the first people who brought such a unit to the market didn't patent the idea (Seahan), but TechMedia bought up the rights to a patent that vaguely mentioned playing music in a compressed format and then proceeded to use that to pressure other companies (including Sony no less) to pay up.
The Mosaid attack also includes action against other companies on the same claims. And have been trying to take down Samsung for three years now. One might conclude that if their claims were valid, they would have won against someone by now.
The Sandisk case never went to court. SanDisk convinced the ITC to ban the import of some Samsung products under the claims that they violated their patents. The patents were never held up as being valid the courts. Samsung turned around and was about to bring down a world of pain on Sandisk. Sandisk agreed to a licence swap with Samsung in exchange for Samsung not taking them to the wall and having their patents thrown out. The suit mentioned in the link to was a powerplay move by Sandisk to try and negociate for leverage after the first licence agreement ended. They were gambling that Samsung would rather pay cash than risk having some of their products blocked again while they went to court to get the patents tossed out.
Etc., etc. Anyone can file a lawsuit, but that doesn't mean the defender is automatically guilty. Though Samsung (or at least, someone at Samsung) did decide to try and screw over Nintendo in 1995 and kept on making a few extra bazillion copies of Donkey Kong County than the number they were contracted to make. |
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