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robbie_davies
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Local derbies are different and not every local derby has that kind of police presence where fans are separated by a thin (neon green) blue line. So you have picked two or three where the police have to seperate rival fans - it is uncommon since the Taylor report and all seater stadiums. |
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le-paul
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| Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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The courtesy to behave during sporting events, not requiring a wall of police between opposing sides.
The politeness of youth to not randomly jump you on the street and turn whole neighborhoods into no-go areas for tourists and passersby.
The politeness of club, concert, and other event attending people to not carry weapons, thus eliminating the need for queues through metal detectors.
The sensibility to not have massive degenerative arguments over religion that lead to violence. |
Good lord lad! Are you sure you aren't confusing the UK for the USA?
Most of the metal detector crap we have in the UK is down to something we love to call 'the HSE'. Thanks to these lovely people, we now have to cover for every eventuality in case someone attempts a court action for money. I don't know where the trend came for suing.
But, Ive never known a gun to be confiscated. Thats a different country.
Youths making it unsafe for tourists? aren't you thinking of crips and bloods?
Religion leading to violence? I do recall quite a few people in the usa cheering the deaths of US soldiers in Iraq because Gay people had offended the good lord. And that is one instance.
And police at sporting events?
I worked at a premier league stadium on saturdays on the bar before I came here. There were alot of police, but in fairness, the security crews were useless. If there was any trouble (and I can honestly say that I never saw any), at least the police were present. It was a good deterrent. Thats one good thing I liked about the UK was that theres usually a police presence.
In the US, I think its more security orientated at sports events. One reason, is that there aren't enough police. Theres so much gun, drug, violent crime etc. that the police have their hands full and wouldn't be spared for public events as much. British police are sitting on their arses most of the day. Saturdays are good practice for the riot police (I know this first hand) to get suited up and drill. However, when it comes time for derbies, it is needed. Ill give you that.
This was meant to be a light hearted thread, why'd you have to turn it into this? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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| ocal derbies are different and not every local derby has that kind of police presence where fans are separated by a thin (neon green) blue line. So you have picked two or three where the police have to seperate rival fans - it is uncommon since the Taylor report and all seater stadiums. |
Again, a difference in cultural norms. In the UK, for a heated sporting rivalry you need lines of police to prevent violence. In Korea, you don't.
Just another one of those things like spitting and slurping soup and bumping into someone.
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| This was meant to be a light hearted thread, why'd you have to turn it into this? |
Because it was previously a light-hearted mocking of Koreans. It wasn't about cultural norms. It was about let's laugh at these people and try to belittle them to make us lower.
Well turnabout is fair play. Koreans have crappy table manners. Brits apparently haven't advanced much beyond Roman times when it comes to behavior in viewing spectator sports.
Not so light-hearted and funny anymore when the shoe is on the other foot is it? |
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robbie_davies
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| Posted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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Not so light-hearted and funny anymore when the shoe is on the other foot is it? |
Button it you whinging old woman.  |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:18 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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| ocal derbies are different and not every local derby has that kind of police presence where fans are separated by a thin (neon green) blue line. So you have picked two or three where the police have to seperate rival fans - it is uncommon since the Taylor report and all seater stadiums. |
Again, a difference in cultural norms. In the UK, for a heated sporting rivalry you need lines of police to prevent violence. In Korea, you don't.
Just another one of those things like spitting and slurping soup and bumping into someone.
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| This was meant to be a light hearted thread, why'd you have to turn it into this? |
Because it was previously a light-hearted mocking of Koreans. It wasn't about cultural norms. It was about let's laugh at these people and try to belittle them to make us lower.
Well turnabout is fair play. Koreans have crappy table manners. Brits apparently haven't advanced much beyond Roman times when it comes to behavior in viewing spectator sports.
Not so light-hearted and funny anymore when the shoe is on the other foot is it? |
What? Absolutely not!
I started this thread because me and my girlfriend were talking about this the other night and I couldn't remember what people considered rude/good manners (manners are considered important in the UK). It has nothing to do with 'belittling koreans' so much as remembering what WE should be doing when we go home. Myself included.I haven't spent much time in the UK (apart from a bit of study) for the last 14 years. Even then, I spent most of my free time in the north of france at my in-laws.
Just a lighthearted memory jog.
Look, Ill put this as politely as possible, you're not from the UK so your comments aren't really relevant here (with regard to the initial OP). I'd prefer not to read another 10 pages of changing the subject to suit your own personal agenda, which seems to be once again, proving that Britain is full of football hooligans and violence. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:41 am Post subject: |
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| le-paul wrote: |
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| ocal derbies are different and not every local derby has that kind of police presence where fans are separated by a thin (neon green) blue line. So you have picked two or three where the police have to seperate rival fans - it is uncommon since the Taylor report and all seater stadiums. |
Again, a difference in cultural norms. In the UK, for a heated sporting rivalry you need lines of police to prevent violence. In Korea, you don't.
Just another one of those things like spitting and slurping soup and bumping into someone.
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| This was meant to be a light hearted thread, why'd you have to turn it into this? |
Because it was previously a light-hearted mocking of Koreans. It wasn't about cultural norms. It was about let's laugh at these people and try to belittle them to make us lower.
Well turnabout is fair play. Koreans have crappy table manners. Brits apparently haven't advanced much beyond Roman times when it comes to behavior in viewing spectator sports.
Not so light-hearted and funny anymore when the shoe is on the other foot is it? |
What? Absolutely not!
I started this thread because me and my girlfriend were talking about this the other night and I couldn't remember what people considered rude/good manners (manners are considered important in the UK). It has nothing to do with 'belittling koreans' so much as remembering what WE should be doing when we go home. Myself included.I haven't spent much time in the UK (apart from a bit of study) for the last 14 years. Even then, I spent most of my free time in the north of france at my in-laws.
Just a lighthearted memory jog.
Look, Ill put this as politely as possible, you're not from the UK so your comments aren't really relevant here (with regard to the initial OP). I'd prefer not to read another 10 pages of changing the subject to suit your own personal agenda, which seems to be once again, proving that Britain is full of football hooligans and violence. |
Your comments were fair and balanced.
The comments of others were the same old garbage and had zero interest in "culture". |
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le-paul
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| Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:30 am Post subject: |
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Yip, and thats exactly what I didn't want to happen.
I wish people would just chill the fuckout a bit.
Sometimes, I wish the world would leagailze it... |
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fezmond
Joined: 27 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:39 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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| ocal derbies are different and not every local derby has that kind of police presence where fans are separated by a thin (neon green) blue line. So you have picked two or three where the police have to seperate rival fans - it is uncommon since the Taylor report and all seater stadiums. |
Again, a difference in cultural norms. In the UK, for a heated sporting rivalry you need lines of police to prevent violence. In Korea, you don't.
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Not entirely true. As someone who goes every week to football games in Korea, there have been more than a fair share of games with trouble between the fans. Mascots do get attacked, fans do rush the other end. Police do get involved.
The last time FC Seoul played in the AFC against Burriram there were around 50 odd police moving in on the South stand.
I think you're focusing too much on football. Ever seen trouble between rugby fans in heated local derbies? |
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Scorpion
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| Posted: Sun Jul 28, 2013 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Koreans have crappy table manners. |
Thank you. Now was that so difficult to admit? |
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Seoulman69
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stevieg4ever
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| Steelrails should be removed from this thread for blatant trolling. Funny how the mods aren't around for this. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| stevieg4ever wrote: |
| Steelrails should be removed from this thread for blatant trolling. Funny how the mods aren't around for this. |
Sorry, but disagreeing with you and pointing out people's bigotry is not trolling.
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| Thank you. Now was that so difficult to admit? |
Can you admit that during your country's period of "greatness", you behaved as utter savage barbarians? No amount of invention and literature justifies invading other countries, repressing their natives and denying them the right to self-determination, and exploiting their natural resources.
The British Empire showed crappy manners to everyone. If the world was a restaurant and the Empire a diner, they should have been kicked out of the restaurant for sitting at other people's tables, eating their food and behaving like a boor.
Yet they still celebrate it and apologize it. I guess some cultures can't face the truth and move on. They cling to silly ideas.
EDIT- I've noticed recently that the most strident bashers tend to come from the UK, perhaps there is something in their culture that makes it really hard for them to be minorities in a non-caucasian country where the people of color make the decisions. |
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