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young_clinton
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| dairyairy wrote: |
The prosecutors filed to have him brought back to Korea for a new trial. Sending him back is called "extradition", and countries sign treaties to do it in a legal way, guaranteeing a hearing in front of a judge in the U.S.A. The judge heard the evidence from the Korean prosecutors and decided there's enough evidence for a trial. He appealed and that appeal was denied. That's where we are now.
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The US generally will extradite its citizens to countries like Britain, France, Germany, Holland, Italy etc. But I guess in addition they could also start extraditing to South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Zanzibar, The Peoples Republic of China or even maybe the Peoples Democratic Republic of Korea! Of course when these countries request it.  Why is it that people think that coming up with a small little detail about something takes the place of being able to see the forest for the trees. But then again Died by Bear can't even come up with any little facts at all, let alone see the forest for the trees. |
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andrewchon
Joined: 16 Nov 2008
Location: Back in Oz. Living in ISIS Aust.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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clinton style: you're swimming to a sinking ship.
BTW Zanzibar doesn't exist any more. It's a part the Tanzania now. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
| dairyairy wrote: |
The prosecutors filed to have him brought back to Korea for a new trial. Sending him back is called "extradition", and countries sign treaties to do it in a legal way, guaranteeing a hearing in front of a judge in the U.S.A. The judge heard the evidence from the Korean prosecutors and decided there's enough evidence for a trial. He appealed and that appeal was denied. That's where we are now.
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The US generally will extradite its citizens to countries like Britain, France, Germany, Holland, Italy etc. But I guess in addition they could also start extraditing to South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Zanzibar, The Peoples Republic of China or even maybe the Peoples Democratic Republic of Korea! Of course when these countries request it. Why is it that people think that coming up with a small little detail about something takes the place of being able to see the forest for the trees. But then again Died by Bear can't even come up with any little facts at all, let alone see the forest for the trees. |
I have to say, your posts on this thread make no sense. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 3:31 am Post subject: |
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| The crime was committed in Korea and hence broke Korean laws. Extradition does not apply in this case YC. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 3:57 am Post subject: |
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| Uh, Pat; it does, actually. Korea is requesting someone currently in another country be removed from said other country by said country's government and returned to Korea to stand trial in Korea. That's what extradition is. |
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PatrickGHBusan
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| Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:01 am Post subject: |
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| Uh, Pat; it does, actually. Korea is requesting someone currently in another country be removed from said other country by said country's government and returned to Korea to stand trial in Korea. That's what extradition is. |
Sorry I meant extadition by the US of the American that is accused should he be in Korea.
I clearly did not say that well!!! Sorry.
So in clear: the guy committed a crime in Korea and is thus under Korean juristiction. If he was still in Korea, the US could not extradite him.
However, Cali said, Korean can extradite or ask to extradite him as the crime was commited on their soil.
Right? |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| andrewchon wrote: |
clinton style: you're swimming to a sinking ship.
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I have lots of respect for South Korea and so do most Americans, but there isn't going to be an extradition. This is largely what my view has focused around, how is that a sinking ship? Another point I put forth to seek comments on was, since there isn't going to be an extradition, and therefore the murder suspect is not going to be tried in the Korean judicial system what other options are there if any? If not, then I guess the guy walks.
By posting I didn't expect attacks from "War Hero" or "Wart Hog" or whatever the **** this guy's name is, just over a simple post presenting questions. I think of Nietsche's quote (Oh! Oh! wait a second, that's spelled Nietzsche) "As you gaze into the Abyss, the Abyss also gazes back into you". With that in mind I'm finished with this particular thread. |
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PatrickGHBusan
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| Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 7:05 am Post subject: |
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| Just curious here and sorry if I missed it in this thread but YC where did you get confirmation that there would be no extradition to Korea in this case? |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:14 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
| Uh, Pat; it does, actually. Korea is requesting someone currently in another country be removed from said other country by said country's government and returned to Korea to stand trial in Korea. That's what extradition is. |
Sorry I meant extadition by the US of the American that is accused should he be in Korea.
I clearly did not say that well!!! Sorry.
So in clear: the guy committed a crime in Korea and is thus under Korean juristiction. If he was still in Korea, the US could not extradite him.
However, Cali said, Korean can extradite or ask to extradite him as the crime was commited on their soil.
Right? |
Yep. And if an American commits a crime in the US and flees to another country, the US can still request extradition. |
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Swampfox10mm
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| Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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Not trolling, just lacking in brains. |
Why is that so many people who contribute absolutely nothing to this site but insults are allowed to remain? In your case why didn't they delete the dupe. The complete dupe. |
Those in power can have socks to bait and cause trouble with, too. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| Just curious here and sorry if I missed it in this thread but YC where did you get confirmation that there would be no extradition to Korea in this case? |
I've been wondering that too. |
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augustine
Joined: 08 Sep 2012
Location: México
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| Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Because he'll probably be able to have his appeal upheld until he's an old man and no one cares anymore. This country is such a pawn of the US anyway, that it's just not likely to happen. |
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CentralCali
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| Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Because he'll probably be able to have his appeal upheld until he's an old man and no one cares anymore. This country is such a pawn of the US anyway, that it's just not likely to happen. |
That's not even close to reality. It's also just badly written fiction.
The guy's availing himself--as anyone should--of legal remedies regarding extradition. Once the appeals are exhausted, well short of your "until he's an old man" blather, then he's off to South Korea if the appeals are denied. Once in South Korea, he'll face trial there.
Calling South Korea a pawn is juvenile, ignorant, and just wrong. Don't embarrass yourself. |
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augustine
Joined: 08 Sep 2012
Location: México
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| Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2013 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
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| Because he'll probably be able to have his appeal upheld until he's an old man and no one cares anymore. This country is such a pawn of the US anyway, that it's just not likely to happen. |
That's not even close to reality. It's also just badly written fiction.
The guy's availing himself--as anyone should--of legal remedies regarding extradition. Once the appeals are exhausted, well short of your "until he's an old man" blather, then he's off to South Korea if the appeals are denied. Once in South Korea, he'll face trial there.
Calling South Korea a pawn is juvenile, ignorant, and just wrong. Don't embarrass yourself. |
No, it's a creation and a pawn, sorry. You're a smart guy, there's no reason to be emotionally offended by that. Anyway, let me know when he gets here. It said he can appeal it three times. You could prove me wrong if you had information on how long extradition appeals generally last or if you can point out any related legal precedents that have been set between the US and SK. But, if not, like I said, let me know when he gets here, because I'd bet money that he ain't coming. |
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CentralCali
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| Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2013 1:32 am Post subject: |
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| I find it incredibly amusing you think the reason an American court would uphold an appellant's request is that you believe South Korea is a pawn. Amusing and sad. |
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