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nicwr2002
Joined: 17 Aug 2011
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| It's way better than 50k Won for 5Km like in Japan. |
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newb
Joined: 27 Aug 2012
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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An exception of course for the anti-price control, free market types. They at least are against the thing on principle. |
That would be me (I don't have the cover of "Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal" as my avatar for nothing!  )
Taxi companies should get to set their own rates. When I said this in another thread, in the past, someone objected by saying the results would be "too chaotic", since different companies would have different rates. But central planning is always going to be less chaotic than individual liberty- that doesn't justify central planning, though. |
No, let the driver set the rate. Foreigner should pay 10k basic rate and adjussi's and adjummas pay 3k. |
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dairyairy
Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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Seems about right..
I really hope this puts to an end the angry moans when I tell the drivers my destination.. (If a short ride especially)
It's fair to assume that a taxi driver's main angst was pay especially considering working hours. A thankless job in reality- especially with lots to put with - crazy traffic, drunk passengers, constant worry about accidents etc
It's going to be a pile more expensive to take a taxi but its been coming for ages.. The moving of times of the 20% increase in fare starting from midnight to 11pm is to encourage more taxi drivers to offer their services- cutting down on waiting times for stranded customers etc..
I really hope we see a better service from those that have tended to let the profession down in many ways.
Hopefully they will feel more important and thus do their jobs a little more professionally.
I also think customers will now have a proper reason to report taxi drivers that have acted very unprofessionally more often.
People will expect more. Taxi drivers will have to up their games.
Changing times in the ROK.. |
Obviously the taxi drivers claimed that low pay gives them little incentive to offer quality service. I don't buy it because their pay is higher when they pick up more passengers. So why refuse to pick up passengers if it means less money? Those drivers just have bad attitudes.
If the excuse for poor service by some was low pay then they will have no excuse now. If service doesn't improve then there will be calls for crackdowns on those refusing to pick up passengers. They will have no one to blame but themselves. |
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dairyairy
Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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Get rid of half of the taxi drivers who normally sit around smoking and drinking coffee for half of their day, then the taxi drivers who want to work will have more business. The article was misleading about their pay. The base pay is set, but drivers who really want to earn a good living make the effort to pick up more customers, rather than sitting at non-taxi stand corners wasting time with their buddies smoking and joking. IMHO
So it is base pay+commission on their fares, so that is the way the article shoul be showing it. |
There are some who deserve this raise, but, like you said, there are some who don't deserve it. If they wanted more money then it's been there to earn by picking up more pasengers. Hopefully Seoul will be serious about addressing the bad apples if some continue to abuse the system. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| 1.53 million won as monthly minimum salary and 260,000 |
Thats 1.8 M.
Taxi drivers are earning as much as foreign english teachers.
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Chia Pet
Joined: 23 Jun 2013
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| Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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The fare increase might be good for the drivers, or not. It might make people use taxis less.
Overall I've been very satisfied with the taxi drivers here. I've *almost* never been ripped off, and I've rarely encountered explicit rudeness. If I'm in a hurry, many drivers make a real effort to get me where I'm going as fast as possible. I really appreciate that. Overall, I give the taxi drivers 5 stars out of 5. I just wish none of them would put those car air freshener things in their taxis. The chemicals are really unhealthy to breathe. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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1. NETs don't usually waste time smoking and joking with their buddies while they're at work.
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No, just facebooking and youtube surfing.
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| 2. NETs don't have the option of legally picking up more privates. Cab drivers do though. |
Actually you sometimes can. If another government agency contracts with your school, you can work for them at your overtime rate. Also, if your school asks you to do classes on the weekend or any extra hours, you can do that as well.
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99% of Taxi drivers wouldn't legally qualify for a hagwon job. It is a job for uneducated Koreas. Many are x-cons too.
I am so glad that got a Masters of teaching from a western university that cost thousands of dollars so I can be at the same level as a Taxi driver in steelrails eyes. |
I'm not saying a taxi driver is as qualified an employee as you, I'm saying that anyone who gets upset at other people who are trying to get higher wages is being a hypocritical imbecile.
If you were a taxi driver, you would feel that you deserve to be paid more. You would back the measure 100%.
The only reason some here don't back the measure is the fact that they themselves are not taxi drivers and it means that they themselves will have to pay more. They totally support government raises for themselves, but oppose it for anyone else where it means they'll have to pay more.
If they were not NETs, and were instead Korean parents working another job, they'd be against any raises for Hagwon NETs because it would mean they would have to pay more. The same things they would say about cab drivers, they would say about NETs.
People seem to believe that people like cab drivers exist for their convenience.
It's about empathizing with other people and not being a hypocrite.
Either you are against cab driver raises and against raises for NETs, or you are for cab drivers trying to get higher wages and for NETs doing what they can to get higher wages.
Or be completely selfish, but at least admit so and refuse to stand on principle. |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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1. NETs don't usually waste time smoking and joking with their buddies while they're at work.
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No, just facebooking and youtube surfing.
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| 2. NETs don't have the option of legally picking up more privates. Cab drivers do though. |
Actually you sometimes can. If another government agency contracts with your school, you can work for them at your overtime rate. Also, if your school asks you to do classes on the weekend or any extra hours, you can do that as well.
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99% of Taxi drivers wouldn't legally qualify for a hagwon job. It is a job for uneducated Koreas. Many are x-cons too.
I am so glad that got a Masters of teaching from a western university that cost thousands of dollars so I can be at the same level as a Taxi driver in steelrails eyes. |
I'm not saying a taxi driver is as qualified an employee as you, I'm saying that anyone who gets upset at other people who are trying to get higher wages is being a hypocritical imbecile.
If you were a taxi driver, you would feel that you deserve to be paid more. You would back the measure 100%.
The only reason some here don't back the measure is the fact that they themselves are not taxi drivers and it means that they themselves will have to pay more. They totally support government raises for themselves, but oppose it for anyone else where it means they'll have to pay more.
If they were not NETs, and were instead Korean parents working another job, they'd be against any raises for Hagwon NETs because it would mean they would have to pay more. The same things they would say about cab drivers, they would say about NETs.
People seem to believe that people like cab drivers exist for their convenience.
It's about empathizing with other people and not being a hypocrite.
Either you are against cab driver raises and against raises for NETs, or you are for cab drivers trying to get higher wages and for NETs doing what they can to get higher wages.
Or be completely selfish, but at least admit so and refuse to stand on principle. |
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No_hite_pls
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
Location: Don't hate me because I'm right
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| Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 4:17 am Post subject: |
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| newb wrote: |
| cdninkorea wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
An exception of course for the anti-price control, free market types. They at least are against the thing on principle. |
That would be me (I don't have the cover of "Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal" as my avatar for nothing! )
Taxi companies should get to set their own rates. When I said this in another thread, in the past, someone objected by saying the results would be "too chaotic", since different companies would have different rates. But central planning is always going to be less chaotic than individual liberty- that doesn't justify central planning, though. |
No, let the driver set the rate. Foreigner should pay 10k basic rate and adjussi's and adjummas pay 3k. |
This is exactly what would happen if libertarians got their way. |
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IPayInCash
Joined: 27 Jul 2013
Location: Away from all my board stalkers :)
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| Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 4:42 am Post subject: |
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Drivers are already setting their own rates. Youve never been to Hongdae late at night only to be ignored by cabs consistently until you give them an offer they cant refuse? And you want more of that?
I agree that the real problem is the drivers. This is no different than the burger flippers in the states wanting a huge pay raise for a job that requires no skills. Just more "give me" leeches that dont want to work harder to get ahead in life. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 5:34 am Post subject: |
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| It always atounds me how taxi drivers pretty much work for the government as they set their wages. Back home, each taxi driver is an independant business. They just have to pay some fees to the dispatch company for connecting them with customers. It's a crappy job back home with long hours to make some money driving a lot to make more money. But the company they register with does tell them what min fee to charge. Prob much higher in Korea. Haven't been in a taxi back home in over a decade. So, I have no idea what's charged. Maybe back then a few dollars to get in a taxi before going anywhere. Still cheaper in Seoul at 3 K but slowly catching up to the west. Better not plan on teaching here in 2023 or we'll all be living in poverty.... |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| IPayInCash wrote: |
Drivers are already setting their own rates. Youve never been to Hongdae late at night only to be ignored by cabs consistently until you give them an offer they cant refuse? And you want more of that?
I agree that the real problem is the drivers. This is no different than the burger flippers in the states wanting a huge pay raise for a job that requires no skills. Just more "give me" leeches that dont want to work harder to get ahead in life. |
For a decent number of cab drivers, its their 2nd job.
Again, if everyone on this board was a cab driver, everyone would feel the exact same way about "deserving a raise'.
And if you weren't an NET and had a kid, you'd be against the government raising wages for NETs. |
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12ax7
Joined: 07 Nov 2009
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| Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| dairyairy wrote: |
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Seems about right..
I really hope this puts to an end the angry moans when I tell the drivers my destination.. (If a short ride especially)
It's fair to assume that a taxi driver's main angst was pay especially considering working hours. A thankless job in reality- especially with lots to put with - crazy traffic, drunk passengers, constant worry about accidents etc
It's going to be a pile more expensive to take a taxi but its been coming for ages.. The moving of times of the 20% increase in fare starting from midnight to 11pm is to encourage more taxi drivers to offer their services- cutting down on waiting times for stranded customers etc..
I really hope we see a better service from those that have tended to let the profession down in many ways.
Hopefully they will feel more important and thus do their jobs a little more professionally.
I also think customers will now have a proper reason to report taxi drivers that have acted very unprofessionally more often.
People will expect more. Taxi drivers will have to up their games.
Changing times in the ROK.. |
Obviously the taxi drivers claimed that low pay gives them little incentive to offer quality service. I don't buy it because their pay is higher when they pick up more passengers. So why refuse to pick up passengers if it means less money? Those drivers just have bad attitudes.
If the excuse for poor service by some was low pay then they will have no excuse now. If service doesn't improve then there will be calls for crackdowns on those refusing to pick up passengers. They will have no one to blame but themselves. |
I will always remember how taxi drivers effectively killed a law that would have made the roads safer about 10 years ago. The government was considering making it obligatory to drive with the headlights on at all times of day. The taxi drivers protested, claiming they'd have to change their car batteries more often if they had to do that (clearly a bold-faced lie to anyone who's ever worked under the hood of a car). Since the average person here knows little or nothing about the inner-workings of cars and figures that taxi drivers do, it resulted in a public outcry and the law was never changed.
So, yeah...I share your skepticism. |
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tophatcat
Joined: 09 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| I knew a taxi driver, here in Korea, back in 2004. He was a middle-age family man, always well dressed, and seemed to be a rather intelligent guy. He said he had lived in Atlanta, Georgia USA for several years. His English was rather good. Anyway, he told me that he would work six days straight @12 hours per day, then take two days off. This was giving him a minimum Net Pay of approximately 2.200.000 won per month, after he covered all of his expenses. Of course, working more was always optional if he wanted to make extra. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2013 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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| I knew a taxi driver, here in Korea, back in 2004. He was a middle-age family man, always well dressed, and seemed to be a rather intelligent guy. He said he had lived in Atlanta, Georgia USA for several years. His English was rather good. Anyway, he told me that he would work six days straight @12 hours per day, then take two days off. This was giving him a minimum Net Pay of approximately 2.200.000 won per month, after he covered all of his expenses. Of course, working more was always optional if he wanted to make extra. |
I heard an urban legend about a Korean cabbie who had a Ph.D but couldn't find work in his field. I'm not sure I can believe that but hey, fact is often stranger than fiction. |
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