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coralreefer_1
Joined: 19 Jan 2009
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Id like to add, that is unlikely even if they did find out you have received illegal tuition payments from teaching privates, that they would deport you. You may get a fine, and you would likely get a few black points on your visa, but since it was in the past, assuming you arent still doing such now (or otherwise, no trace of it) you should be ok.
The bigger issue is your university, because if immigration does decide you broke the laws, they will contact the university, and the university "may" cancel all your credits/degrees, and expel you (which would mean, no visa)
However, I have heard numerous times from other students (Ive been on a student visa for 9 years, so I may be something of an expert on student related issues) that immigration will cut some slack to foreign students, particularly those from Western nations. Unless you were making HUGE bank, and sending it out of the country...they may not even bother with an investigation at all. |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 3:19 am Post subject: |
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Your bf pimped you out teaching English?
whoa. ESL Slaves  reality show idea |
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blackinque
Joined: 07 Apr 2010
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| Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 5:10 am Post subject: |
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are you Ingrid?  |
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Jake_Kim
Joined: 27 Aug 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 5:51 am Post subject: |
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3 points to make:
If the account in question was yours in substance but he lend you his name so that it appears as his in form, he is in violation of the Act on Real Name Financial Transactions and Confidentiality.
While you have violated the Immigration Control Act by teaching English for profit when you're not legally eligible to do so, if he has taken economic benefit from the proceeds of your illegal activity deposited in the account under his name, that makes him an accessory.
Even if he took no economic benefit from said proceeds whatsoever but simply funneled the funds to you, that still falls within the definition of money laundering. |
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beison
Joined: 28 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:15 am Post subject: |
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I'm very confused...
I'm on a D2 as well and have checked the laws: You are legally allowed to work part time (no more than 20 hours) as long as your professors don't mind.
Likely there is more to it, such as registering your place of work with immigration and what not, but the fact is that students are allowed to work. This includes teaching english.
I don't think you should be that worried. |
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denverdeath
Joined: 21 May 2005
Location: Boo-sahn
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| Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:50 am Post subject: |
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| beison wrote: |
I'm very confused...
I'm on a D2 as well and have checked the laws: You are legally allowed to work part time (no more than 20 hours) as long as your professors don't mind.
Likely there is more to it, such as registering your place of work with immigration and what not, but the fact is that students are allowed to work. This includes teaching english.
I don't think you should be that worried. |
Would also like sb in the know to clarify if possible. I've seen that working 20 hours part-time is fine, but that is not supposed to include tutoring? Do you know coralreefer_1? |
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Jake_Kim
Joined: 27 Aug 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:28 am Post subject: |
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20 hours for undergrads, 30 hours for grad students. But the field of work is limited to 'Simple labor' as codified and tabulated by the Ministry of Justice. Any form of 'teaching', however, is not on that list.
You could do translation, interpretation, tour guide, or sales clerk at English camps or duty free shops, restaurant server, or even ordinary admin at a corporate office, but not 'teaching' someone for profit for which you have to change your status to E-2 provided that you're already qualified for such activity.
In addition, a letter of reference from your professor (Assistance professor or above - lecturers do not qualify) is required for application.
I'm reading this off of the Immigration's latest version of integrated manual. See for yourself in downloadable original Korean text at http://www.hikorea.go.kr/pt/NtcCotnDetailR_kr.pt?pageSpec=&targetRow=&lafjOrderBy=&sRange=&sKeyWord=&bbsGbCd=BS10&bbsSeq=1&ntccttSeq=330&pageCode=list&langCd=KR&bbsNm=%EA%B3%B5%EC%A7%80%EC%82%AC%ED%95%AD, pages 23 through 25, and Appendix 2 at pages 259-266. |
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augustine
Joined: 08 Sep 2012
Location: México
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| Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:52 am Post subject: |
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| ^ Powerful Jake Kim always brings the knowledge. Underrated attributeur, hands together for that. |
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coralreefer_1
Joined: 19 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 8:49 am Post subject: |
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| Jake_Kim wrote: |
20 hours for undergrads, 30 hours for grad students. But the field of work is limited to 'Simple labor' as codified and tabulated by the Ministry of Justice. Any form of 'teaching', however, is not on that list.
You could do translation, interpretation, tour guide, or sales clerk at English camps or duty free shops, restaurant server, or even ordinary admin at a corporate office, but not 'teaching' someone for profit for which you have to change your status to E-2 provided that you're already qualified for such activity.
In addition, a letter of reference from your professor (Assistance professor or above - lecturers do not qualify) is required for application.
I'm reading this off of the Immigration's latest version of integrated manual. See for yourself in downloadable original Korean text at http://www.hikorea.go.kr/pt/NtcCotnDetailR_kr.pt?pageSpec=&targetRow=&lafjOrderBy=&sRange=&sKeyWord=&bbsGbCd=BS10&bbsSeq=1&ntccttSeq=330&pageCode=list&langCd=KR&bbsNm=%EA%B3%B5%EC%A7%80%EC%82%AC%ED%95%AD, pages 23 through 25, and Appendix 2 at pages 259-266. |
I am sorry to say it, but the information above is simply wrong. A person on a D2, who has at least 10 years of primary education in a nation that uses the language in question as a native language, and has done at least 2 years in a Korean university (note, they dont have a degree, just done 2 years worth of study), or otherwise the minimum BA degree from one of the accepted nations, can legally teach that language in Korea, provided as mentioned, they can forfill all of the typical requirements of the usual E2. (HIV/Drug screening, CBC...etc)
Believe me, im doing it. I am on the D2, and I have legal permission from immigration to teach English at a local kindergarten/hagwon.
I will go a bit further than Jake, and tell you where exactly to find the information in the link hey gave to the files.
download and view the file that has "체루권리" on the end.
at the top, find the D2 and click it.
from there, scroll down to number 6 (its in blue font) that says "유학생 (D-2) 배우자의 취업활동 허가 (employment activities permitted under D2 status)
The second line in blue says "hagwon conversation instructor and foreign language school teacher. |
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beison
Joined: 28 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 9:14 am Post subject: |
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| coralreefer_1 wrote: |
| Jake_Kim wrote: |
20 hours for undergrads, 30 hours for grad students. But the field of work is limited to 'Simple labor' as codified and tabulated by the Ministry of Justice. Any form of 'teaching', however, is not on that list.
You could do translation, interpretation, tour guide, or sales clerk at English camps or duty free shops, restaurant server, or even ordinary admin at a corporate office, but not 'teaching' someone for profit for which you have to change your status to E-2 provided that you're already qualified for such activity.
In addition, a letter of reference from your professor (Assistance professor or above - lecturers do not qualify) is required for application.
I'm reading this off of the Immigration's latest version of integrated manual. See for yourself in downloadable original Korean text at http://www.hikorea.go.kr/pt/NtcCotnDetailR_kr.pt?pageSpec=&targetRow=&lafjOrderBy=&sRange=&sKeyWord=&bbsGbCd=BS10&bbsSeq=1&ntccttSeq=330&pageCode=list&langCd=KR&bbsNm=%EA%B3%B5%EC%A7%80%EC%82%AC%ED%95%AD, pages 23 through 25, and Appendix 2 at pages 259-266. |
I am sorry to say it, but the information above is simply wrong. A person on a D2, who has at least 10 years of primary education in a nation that uses the language in question as a native language, and has done at least 2 years in a Korean university (note, they dont have a degree, just done 2 years worth of study), or otherwise the minimum BA degree from one of the accepted nations, can legally teach that language in Korea, provided as mentioned, they can forfill all of the typical requirements of the usual E2. (HIV/Drug screening, CBC...etc)
Believe me, im doing it. I am on the D2, and I have legal permission from immigration to teach English at a local kindergarten/hagwon.
I will go a bit further than Jake, and tell you where exactly to find the information in the link hey gave to the files.
download and view the file that has "체루권리" on the end.
at the top, find the D2 and click it.
from there, scroll down to number 6 (its in blue font) that says "유학생 (D-2) 배우자의 취업활동 허가 (employment activities permitted under D2 status)
The second line in blue says "hagwon conversation instructor and foreign language school teacher. |
This is also in line with what I researched when looking into part time work in conjunction with my studies.
At the same time though, I'm not sure if teaching private lessons in a non-structured manner (like what the OP had indicated) would qualify, since you need to register the part time work with immigration. |
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coralreefer_1
Joined: 19 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 9:19 am Post subject: |
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| beison wrote: |
| coralreefer_1 wrote: |
| Jake_Kim wrote: |
20 hours for undergrads, 30 hours for grad students. But the field of work is limited to 'Simple labor' as codified and tabulated by the Ministry of Justice. Any form of 'teaching', however, is not on that list.
You could do translation, interpretation, tour guide, or sales clerk at English camps or duty free shops, restaurant server, or even ordinary admin at a corporate office, but not 'teaching' someone for profit for which you have to change your status to E-2 provided that you're already qualified for such activity.
In addition, a letter of reference from your professor (Assistance professor or above - lecturers do not qualify) is required for application.
I'm reading this off of the Immigration's latest version of integrated manual. See for yourself in downloadable original Korean text at http://www.hikorea.go.kr/pt/NtcCotnDetailR_kr.pt?pageSpec=&targetRow=&lafjOrderBy=&sRange=&sKeyWord=&bbsGbCd=BS10&bbsSeq=1&ntccttSeq=330&pageCode=list&langCd=KR&bbsNm=%EA%B3%B5%EC%A7%80%EC%82%AC%ED%95%AD, pages 23 through 25, and Appendix 2 at pages 259-266. |
I am sorry to say it, but the information above is simply wrong. A person on a D2, who has at least 10 years of primary education in a nation that uses the language in question as a native language, and has done at least 2 years in a Korean university (note, they dont have a degree, just done 2 years worth of study), or otherwise the minimum BA degree from one of the accepted nations, can legally teach that language in Korea, provided as mentioned, they can forfill all of the typical requirements of the usual E2. (HIV/Drug screening, CBC...etc)
Believe me, im doing it. I am on the D2, and I have legal permission from immigration to teach English at a local kindergarten/hagwon.
I will go a bit further than Jake, and tell you where exactly to find the information in the link hey gave to the files.
download and view the file that has "체루권리" on the end.
at the top, find the D2 and click it.
from there, scroll down to number 6 (its in blue font) that says "유학생 (D-2) 배우자의 취업활동 허가 (employment activities permitted under D2 status)
The second line in blue says "hagwon conversation instructor and foreign language school teacher. |
This is also in line with what I researched when looking into part time work in conjunction with my studies.
At the same time though, I'm not sure if teaching private lessons in a non-structured manner (like what the OP had indicated) would qualify, since you need to register the part time work with immigration. |
No. Private lessons are forbidden. I was pointing at Jakes statement that language instruction is forbidden unless changing to an E2 visa |
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Jake_Kim
Joined: 27 Aug 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:07 am Post subject: |
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| coralreefer_1 wrote: |
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20 hours for undergrads, 30 hours for grad students. But the field of work is limited to 'Simple labor' as codified and tabulated by the Ministry of Justice. Any form of 'teaching', however, is not on that list.
You could do translation, interpretation, tour guide, or sales clerk at English camps or duty free shops, restaurant server, or even ordinary admin at a corporate office, but not 'teaching' someone for profit for which you have to change your status to E-2 provided that you're already qualified for such activity.
In addition, a letter of reference from your professor (Assistance professor or above - lecturers do not qualify) is required for application.
I'm reading this off of the Immigration's latest version of integrated manual. See for yourself in downloadable original Korean text at http://www.hikorea.go.kr/pt/NtcCotnDetailR_kr.pt?pageSpec=&targetRow=&lafjOrderBy=&sRange=&sKeyWord=&bbsGbCd=BS10&bbsSeq=1&ntccttSeq=330&pageCode=list&langCd=KR&bbsNm=%EA%B3%B5%EC%A7%80%EC%82%AC%ED%95%AD, pages 23 through 25, and Appendix 2 at pages 259-266. |
Believe me, im doing it. I am on the D2, and I have legal permission from immigration to teach English at a local kindergarten/hagwon.
I will go a bit further than Jake, and tell you where exactly to find the information in the link hey gave to the files.
download and view the file that has "체루권리" on the end.
at the top, find the D2 and click it.
from there, scroll down to number 6 (its in blue font) that says "유학생 (D-2) 배우자의 취업활동 허가 (employment activities permitted under D2 status)
The second line in blue says "hagwon conversation instructor and foreign language school teacher. |
Item #6 you indicated, nevertheless, concerns the SPOUSE of a D-2 holder. '배우자' is a spouse. All 3 sub-items of #6, therefore, are not for the D-2 holder, and your translation 'employment activities permitted under D2 status' is a straightforward mistranslation.
Regardless, I did find the exemption clause, under which coralreefer_1 must've obtained his permit, on page 86 of the same document. It states that registered aliens including A-1/2/3 who would have been qualified as E-2 may obtain permission to engage in E-2 activity, and such a permission is at the discretion of the Head of Regional Immigration Office.
I stand corrected on my previous mention that one needs to 'change her status' out of D-2, the point which is conditionally invalid due to the aforementioned exemption clause for qualified registered aliens, yet I stand by the rest of my original translation of D-2 work rules. I hope this clears up any confusion regarding the subject. |
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goreality
Joined: 09 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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Tax man is most likely to get pissed off. By going to immigration this guy just looks like he is out for revenge.
Ministry of education has a problem with anyone teaching children who wouldn't qualify for a tutoring license. So, it's okay to teach if you are in grad school or on your 2nd degree or teaching adults.
Also what kind of banana republic society do you think this country is where you files can be erased by anyone who is a prosecutor? He ain't gonna do that for his nephew's girlfriend. He will more likely say find a girl without a police record. |
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eunjeong
Joined: 27 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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| All clear =) Learned my lesson. |
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PatrickBateman
Joined: 08 Jun 2009
Location: American Gardens Building, West 81st Street
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| Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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Goodbye and good riddance. Maybe your new boyfriend (boy, that was fast) can drive you to the airport. If the rest of us have to get a university degree, so do you. If the rest of us have to go through all the immigration headaches (aids tests, criminal record checks, apostilles, etc.) then so do you. If you choose to skip all that, and go the illegal route, you know the score. I don't think you'll get a lot of sympathy from legally employed persons on this forum.
It was also unwise of you to leave a paper trail with your boyfriend. Koreans can be very bitter exes (been there, experienced that) and have no scruples about using any information they have on you to get you deported from Korea. I'd guess that a high percentage of people deported for teaching privates get picked up by immigration this way. Still, you made your own bed, and now you have to sleep in it.
Go home, get a university degree, jump through all the hoops that others have to, then consider returning. If you're allowed, that is.
Consider it a lesson learned. |
Damn.
Ether. |
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