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jazzmaster



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

An interesting point to raise is how the history of each country has contributed to the food and drink that is popular.
The English colonization of India and China relates to the enduring popularity of Indian food, tea, etc whereas the high level of immigration into the USA has resulted in particular foods, such as Mexican, becoming popular.
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tophatcat



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brooks wrote:
I am part Swiss German. My grandfather from Iowa would eat pork three times a day. He is 92 and still kicking.


My grandfather and grandmother ate fried pork and/or fried chicken almost everyday, and sometimes three times a day also. They both lived to their late 80s. Eggs, vegetables, fruits, nuts, they ate anything they could grow on their farm. My grandfather was a full-time farmer and my grandmother had a government job. They were always healthy. I think their long healthy life can be contributed to fresh foods and exercise. They were always active and usually in bed by 10:00 pm and up by 5:30 am.

I have never believed in the vegetarian is healthy myth. Meat, meat, meat. Eat meat, it's good for you.
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young_clinton



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brooks wrote:
Well there is tea time and food like scones.
Meat pies are popular, as is roast beef.
Black pudding.


Americans have scones and they have meat pies also, just not as common and they aren't pasties. Who in their right mind would want to eat black pudding?

Brooks wrote:
Think about what an English breakfast is. I had one in Durham and there was bacon, sausage, beans...


The standard breakfasts are similar except the british substitute beans for the potatoes. They also rely on frankfurter type sausages rather than the ground heavily peppered pork sausage Americans rely on.


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radcon



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teeth
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young_clinton



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The type of British person that you have to deal with depends on the circumstances. If you're talking about the British in Thailand, many of them are garbage, foul mouthed, bigoted, have the pretense that being british makes them more civilized than anyone else, although many of them would be on the dole back home. The british women in Thailand are even worse. In Saudi Arabia those kind are few and far between, mostly polite, well educated gentlemen.
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young_clinton



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jazzmaster wrote:
An interesting point to raise is how the history of each country has contributed to the food and drink that is popular.
The English colonization of India and China relates to the enduring popularity of Indian food, tea, etc whereas the high level of immigration into the USA has resulted in particular foods, such as Mexican, becoming popular.


Much of U.S. territory was "barbarically" (as one rude Limey who I had to put up with on an oil barge barked out one day) taken from Mexico. That is largely where the American interest in Mexican food comes from. Most Mexican food in the USA is Northern Mexican which includes the territory that is now American. Taco Bell is Mexican food just a very cheap fast food form of Mexican food. People who are in areas with heavy Mexican culinary influence still eat at Taco Bell because it's delicious.
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Teechuh



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 5:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Julius"]
Americans are fairly straightforward. Which I like. English people are often duplicitous however and love stabbing each other in the back.

English folks like to "take the pi**". Basically wind each other up. Bullying, teasing, it often goes too far. Americans are less into that. Which is good.
[/quote]

I'm sorry? Ridiculous generalisations are inevitable in such a thread, on Dave's at least, but saying an entire nation of people love stabbing in each other in the back? What are you basing this on exactly? We might not, generally speaking, be as forthright as Americans but there's no underlying duplicity behind it and it sounds rather petty to suggest there is.

The British sense of humour is without a doubt what I miss most about England. It might come across as offensive to other nationalities from time to time, but it's all about not taking yourself too seriously. Most people I know don't tend to favour those who are too full of themselves. It's seen as an unattractive character trait. Most of the time it's just good natured teasing. Bullying is something completely different from someone 'taking the p***'.
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edwardcatflap



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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English folks like to "take the pi**". Basically wind each other up. Bullying, teasing, it often goes too far


You mean like making snide remarks about people's teeth?
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lithium



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

radcon wrote:
Teeth


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Smithington



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could start your lesson with Churchill's quote that, "America and Britain are one people separated by a common language."

Oh, and be sure to emphasize that that language comes from Britain, not America. Embarassed
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mayorhaggar



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

YTMND wrote:
mayorhaggar, you and I are on the same page.

I was wondering about the pancake thing. I put up 2 pictures, one with pancakes after searching American breakfasts and the other with beans and toast after searching British breakfasts. I noticed the tomatoes were on the side cooked or with some sauce, but in America I would more normally see it cut up into smaller pieces and be part of an omelet.

I was surprised to see they couldn't recognize David Beckham. He is no longer popular? Who should I use instead to represent England? This was a first year high school class.

It's not the first thing I show them, and so far we haven't gotten anywhere near needing it. I wanted to talk about how health care is provided to more people in England whereas it is more private in the states. With Obamacare closing the government down, I thought this would be an appropriate time for advanced students to chime in. There are some at second year who are preparing to study abroad and I am also teaching a few of them in advanced classes. These students are writing 1,000 word essays and never need me to repeat myself.

On a more simpler note, I did the coffee and tea thing as an example but was wondering if there was something else Britons might drink more of than Americans. If we were to say coke for America, that might be an outdated comparison since you can get coke almost anywhere nowadays.


British breakfast:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/English_breakfast_2.jpg

Beans with toast, weird cooked tomatoes, crappy bacon, bad sausages, etc.

American breakfast:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_LVWA2pNfGAE/TUcYn6mHYfI/AAAAAAAAAHI/HsLZ0SKIqOk/s1600/American_Breakfast.jpg

Waffle can be replaced with pancake. Maybe ask the Korean kids which they'd rather eat.

As for Beckham: he's just not that big a deal worldwide anymore, and Koreans have a funny view of the outside world so it's tricky to know who they will recognize. I'd say basically anyone who's been in the news in the last few years. My elementary kids all know who Neymar is, but I showed them Beckham and they don't know him. Of course they know Park Ji-sung, Kim Yu-na, and Ryu Hyun-Jin. They know Park Geun-hye but probably not any previous Korean presidents. (high school kids should know) They know Obama but not Bill Clinton.

As for Obamacare...it's not Obamacare! Damn! Confused

As for other things Brits drink, they like "squash" which is basically juice concentrate that they mix with water, I guess because actual juice is so pricey. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squash_(drink)

Also they like Ribena a lot. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribena
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Teechuh



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobody over the age of ten drinks squash. It's also sweeter than juice which is why kids like it. A popular drink with the rest of the (adult) nation is cider which, and I could be wrong, I don't think is drunk so much in the states. It's an alcoholic drink made with apples. Not the alternative to sprite that it is here.

Football players are definitely a good way to go. You're right nobody knows David Beckham any more but try Frank Lampard, Wayne Rooney, Gareth Bale (Welsh), Danny Welbeck, Ashley Cole and Theo Walcott. My kids are obsessed with all of them and often interrupt my lessons to ask my opinion on their matches.
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Teechuh



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also our pancakes are much larger and thinner, basically like crepes, and are often eaten with lemon and sugar or golden syrup. I don't know if you're aware of pancake day (Shrove Tuesday) in February but it's a tradition which came from people using up all the fatty foods and having a last binge before Ash Wednesday and the start of lent. On this day we usually eat pancakes for dinner, sometimes a mixture of sweet and savoury. The smaller, fatter pancakes that Americans eat, we call Scotch Pancakes.
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Daelim



Joined: 18 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mayorhaggar wrote:
YTMND wrote:
mayorhaggar, you and I are on the same page.

I was wondering about the pancake thing. I put up 2 pictures, one with pancakes after searching American breakfasts and the other with beans and toast after searching British breakfasts. I noticed the tomatoes were on the side cooked or with some sauce, but in America I would more normally see it cut up into smaller pieces and be part of an omelet.

I was surprised to see they couldn't recognize David Beckham. He is no longer popular? Who should I use instead to represent England? This was a first year high school class.

It's not the first thing I show them, and so far we haven't gotten anywhere near needing it. I wanted to talk about how health care is provided to more people in England whereas it is more private in the states. With Obamacare closing the government down, I thought this would be an appropriate time for advanced students to chime in. There are some at second year who are preparing to study abroad and I am also teaching a few of them in advanced classes. These students are writing 1,000 word essays and never need me to repeat myself.

On a more simpler note, I did the coffee and tea thing as an example but was wondering if there was something else Britons might drink more of than Americans. If we were to say coke for America, that might be an outdated comparison since you can get coke almost anywhere nowadays.


British breakfast:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/English_breakfast_2.jpg

Beans with toast, weird cooked tomatoes, crappy bacon, bad sausages, etc.

American breakfast:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_LVWA2pNfGAE/TUcYn6mHYfI/AAAAAAAAAHI/HsLZ0SKIqOk/s1600/American_Breakfast.jpg

Waffle can be replaced with pancake. Maybe ask the Korean kids which they'd rather eat.

As for Beckham: he's just not that big a deal worldwide anymore, and Koreans have a funny view of the outside world so it's tricky to know who they will recognize. I'd say basically anyone who's been in the news in the last few years. My elementary kids all know who Neymar is, but I showed them Beckham and they don't know him. Of course they know Park Ji-sung, Kim Yu-na, and Ryu Hyun-Jin. They know Park Geun-hye but probably not any previous Korean presidents. (high school kids should know) They know Obama but not Bill Clinton.

As for Obamacare...it's not Obamacare! Damn! Confused

As for other things Brits drink, they like "squash" which is basically juice concentrate that they mix with water, I guess because actual juice is so pricey. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squash_(drink)

Also they like Ribena a lot. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribena


Holy mother of God! What have we here? An American calling British bacon "crappy!" The bacon you eat isn't actually bacon, just strips of fat cremated in the frying pan for crying out loud Smile
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cam83



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lithium wrote:
radcon wrote:
Teeth


http://www.google.com/imgres?sa=X&biw=1407&bih=811&tbm=isch&tbnid=XePgxtOq_4KQDM:&imgrefurl=http://familyguy.wikia.com/wiki/One_if_by_Clam,_Two_if_by_Sea&docid=hC31myqmFhBMAM&imgurl=http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070601215755/familyguy/images/2/2f/FGOneIfByClam.jpg&w=732&h=548&ei=dwZTUpWYAu-34AOaiYHIBg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=2&vpy=3&dur=1326&hovh=194&hovw=260&tx=98&ty=123&page=1&tbnh=138&tbnw=183&start=0&ndsp=40&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:81


I found this quite funny because when I used to live in Manhattan, people used to comment on my 'good teeth' (I'm from London) and I got the impression that people in the US for some reason assumed British people had worse teeth and when I asked why they had thought this (most of whom had never been to the UK)... their replies seemed to be based on hearsay.

Shame really... http://www.economist.com/node/15060097
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