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wooden nickels
Joined: 23 May 2010
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Ok thanks for all your advice. I emailed him about my problems with the contract. he emailed me telling me this:
"You do 19 classes a week. elementary class : 45 minutes - 3 times , middle school class : 50 minutes - 2 times
Summer vacation is 5 days including Sat. and Sun. in approximately the last week, July
Winter vacation is 5 days including Sat. and Sun. in approximately the last week, December
I don't give you extra holiday pay except your month pay (1,900,000Won).
I give you medical insurance.
I don't give you a pension.
If you want to receive pension, I will have to pay 4.5% of your month pay and you will have to pay 4.5% from your month pay.
So you will receive the rest of your month pay I subtract 4.5 % from your pay, and I will have to subtract 3.3% tax from your month pay.
I have not subtracted 3.3% tax instead of not giving pension ,and have given a month pay to all the teachers."
Let me know what yeah think about this.
He is giving me less money because I am getting less hours, according to him anyway. |
Would you be so kind to give the name of the CITY where this school is?
This is beginning to look like an old vague contract that used to float around years ago. Don't be surprised if you get stuck working on Saturdays and have off a weekday at the last minute. Lots of other things will begin to pop up, probably. Sick days, paid for? 6 vacation days, not 10. No RED LETTER days (government holidays) off, or you will be making these days up. It will go on and on. Your buddy down the street at the next hakwon will be making 2.100.000 with benefits and have more time off than you and will most likely have a better place to live than you. Don't be surprised when you teach more than 19 classes and take on extra work because you haven't reached the typical 30 hour per week that all other hakwons have, because IT'S the WAY we DO THINGS in Korea, IT's OUR CULTURE. |
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No_hite_pls
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
Location: Don't hate me because I'm right
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| Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:19 pm Post subject: Re: Accepting a job under bad conditions. Is it worth it? |
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| TJ85 wrote: |
Ok so I have been offered a job at a Hagwon. 1,900,000 won in salary. No holiday pay or pension or medical insurance mentioned in the contract, even though it is required by law.
Is it really that bad to accept such conditions? Can you not get by?
With the salary Im getting I am hoping to travel every now and then, particularly to my girlfriends home town which is near my place of employment. From other peoples experiences, is possible to live comfortably on such a salary?
Are holidays really worth it when you can just travel on weekends?
Im afraid to negotiated cause im not sure If Ill find another like this which is suitable geographically. I am hoping to move somewhere near Jinju. |
Have some self respect don't take this job. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:29 am Post subject: Re: Accepting a job under bad conditions. Is it worth it? |
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| TJ85 wrote: |
Ok so I have been offered a job at a Hagwon. 1,900,000 won in salary. No holiday pay or pension or medical insurance mentioned in the contract, even though it is required by law.
Is it really that bad to accept such conditions? Can you not get by?
With the salary Im getting I am hoping to travel every now and then, particularly to my girlfriends home town which is near my place of employment. From other peoples experiences, is possible to live comfortably on such a salary?
Are holidays really worth it when you can just travel on weekends?
Im afraid to negotiated cause im not sure If Ill find another like this which is suitable geographically. I am hoping to move somewhere near Jinju. |
Are you a Korean hakwon owner testing the water to see if you can get away with this? Pay the pension, medical, and a minimum salary of 2.3 million won going up each year for renewal. You can ask for someone with experience and see your business's success increase over time. You get what you pay for. You have seen all the responses on here to give you an idea. No experienced quality teacher would accept such a BS offer.
If you really are a newbie after all, stay away. Stay at home for however long it takes to get something better. Hold out and don't compromise on these issues. You'll thank yourself later.... |
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newchamp
Joined: 09 Mar 2013
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| Posted: Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:48 am Post subject: |
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Does the contract say you will only teach 19 hours per week? If so, it's quite a light schedule and 1.9 wouldn't be bad pay for such a schedule. The real crap jobs are the ones paying 2.2 to work 8:30 to 6.
Make sure the low hours are in the CONTRACT, though. If the employer wants to add more hours later, an increase in salary should occur, or overtime pay should occur. And make sure he's not some asshat who's going to require you to stay at work 8 hours a day even though you only teach 4 hours. |
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Jackhammer96
Joined: 30 Oct 2013
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| Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:50 pm Post subject: I am late replying, but thanks everybody! |
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| Thanks for everyones advice. I ended up rejecting the job position. |
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salutbonjour
Joined: 22 Jan 2013
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| Posted: Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| No mention of typical hours too. That way split shift morning and evening 7 days a week is possible too. This is all sorts of terrible. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 6:41 am Post subject: |
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The Hogwan has bad owner written all over it.
Last edited by young_clinton on Fri Nov 29, 2013 6:00 am; edited 1 time in total |
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newchamp
Joined: 09 Mar 2013
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| Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
| The contract has bad owner written all over it. |
Not necessarily. Have you seen the contract?
I think the OP got a lot of bad advice in this thread; people jumping the gun and saying "Don't take it!" just because the pay was low. And in another thread he said he's not having an easy time finding another position in that location, as he knew might happen back when he started this thread.
You have to look at the OVERALL conditions, not just the pay. *IF* the contract really had only 19 (or even 22) base hours for 1.9/month, and didn't require large amounts of extra office work, and if free time is a priority for you, then that job had better conditions than many of the jobs out there. Would you rather work 9-6:30 every day for 2.2?
I hope he didn't turn the job down based on the simplistic advice in this thread. |
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Popocatepetl
Joined: 14 Oct 2013
Location: Winter in Korea: One Perfect day after another
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 5:36 am Post subject: |
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| TJ85 wrote: |
He is giving me less money because I am getting less hours, according to him anyway. |
1.9M for only 19 classes is a good deal.
Most people get 2.2 for 30 classes.
Its not worth it if you're required to be in the office 8 hours a day however, because you will need to supplement your income with part-time work. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 6:07 am Post subject: |
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| newchamp wrote: |
| young_clinton wrote: |
| The contract has bad owner written all over it. |
Not necessarily. Have you seen the contract?
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Unusual contract that does not offer the norm other contracts offer = a good probability for an un-straight forward or manipulative and weird Hogwan owner. |
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newchamp
Joined: 09 Mar 2013
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| Posted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
| Unusual contract that does not offer the norm other contracts offer = a good probability for an un-straight forward or manipulative and weird Hogwan owner. |
How simplistic of an assumption. Why should every hagwon offer the same cookie-cutter conditions? Talk about a stagnant industry...
From the OP's paste of the owner's e-mail, I see no red flags. The owner seemed frank and straightforward. That job looked no more risky than any other job.
| nicwr2002 wrote: |
| You would be required by law to pay for health insurance and the pension yourself. |
Wrong. Besides, we later found out that the owner was planning to contribute towards health insurance.
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| But in the end it hurts everyone... |
It hurts everyone when people accept jobs with 9-6:30 schedules for 2.2.
| transmogrifier wrote: |
| Or you can take it, and be happy knowing that you are just another little splash of water eroding working conditions in this country.... |
What a poetic display of tunnel vision.
| Jodami wrote: |
| You would pimp yourself out for a measly 1.9 a month? |
For only 19 hours of teaching per week, it might be worth it.
| Ranman wrote: |
| You would have to be an absolute fool to take that contract. I don't care how desperate you are. There are far better jobs on the market than to put up with that. |
I'm so glad the job market is being guided by such deep thought.
| No_hite_pls wrote: |
| Have some self respect don't take this job. |
OK Dr. Phil.
| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| Are you a Korean hakwon owner testing the water to see if you can get away with this? Pay the pension, medical, and a minimum salary of 2.3 million won going up each year for renewal. |
And don't expect half of your workers to appreciate their light schedule or to become wiser during their free time.
| salutbonjour wrote: |
| No mention of typical hours too. That way split shift morning and evening 7 days a week is possible too. This is all sorts of terrible. |
We didn't even see the contract!!! Gees, does the owner have to outline every little detail in his one e-mail? The things you are worrying about could be true with any academy.
It's too bad this industry's job conditions are being guided by so much simplistic thinking and fear of the "unusual". |
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