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fermentation
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| Being raised in the Korean system and not being depressed would be an anomaly. That being said, of all the problems we can have, I'd take suicide over a lot of other things. And hey, at least there's something we beat the rest of the world at. |
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postfundie
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| Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Where are the apologists?? Shouldn't they be in this thread? |
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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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| postfundie wrote: |
| Where are the apologists?? Shouldn't they be in this thread? |
They're already here. It's either;
a) The US is higher!
b) The stats lie!
c) Suicides are hidden in the US! (Yeah, and in a culture that is so obsessed with face saving I'm sure investigations here are transparent and honest...fan death anyone?)
d) Yeah, well, it's a problem everywhere! EVERYWHERE! And it's terrible. Look at that shiny thing over there!
You know, the usual. Korea has no problems. At least none bigger than that evil USA. Anything that says otherwise is a lie meant only to damage the stellar reputation of this great land. As you know, Americans lie about everything while Koreans are often the victims of this deceit. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Instead of annual reports on these numbers, I'd love to see the gov (and related organizations) doing something proactive about it. |
Like what, though? High suicide rates in Korea are largely a combination of innate traits (future-oriented thinking and competitiveness) and a culture of obsession with material success. You can't really change the former, so you're left tweaking with the latter. The latter is a prisoner's dilemma though: you toning things down and taking it a bit easier only provides better results for you if your "opponent" does as well. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| postfundie wrote: |
| Where are the apologists?? Shouldn't they be in this thread? |
They all killed themselves. I'm all that's left. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Instead of annual reports on these numbers, I'd love to see the gov (and related organizations) doing something proactive about it. |
Like what, though? High suicide rates in Korea are largely a combination of innate traits (future-oriented thinking and competitiveness) and a culture of obsession with material success. You can't really change the former, so you're left tweaking with the latter. The latter is a prisoner's dilemma though: you toning things down and taking it a bit easier only provides better results for you if your "opponent" does as well. |
Truth is... my "solution" to this might be looked at as odd by others. I'd like to see a societal switch from the "one path to success" that so many Koreans view (good grades, good school, company man). I'd love to see a more diversified view of success here - so that if a kid fails a test, or fails to enter X school, they still feel there are a lot of options available to them . |
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KimchiNinja
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Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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Korea is still the best place in the world dammit. 
A little population control only makes it better... |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Amongst the older generation there are crazy neurotic bean paste gold digging women. Being married to that would drive any man to just jump off one day. Constantly being subjected to "I'm pretty", along with nagging, violent temper tantrums, and "oppa, I need more money - gimme gimme gimme". Yeah, it's no wonder some don't just end it. |
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optik404
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Instead of annual reports on these numbers, I'd love to see the gov (and related organizations) doing something proactive about it. |
Like what, though? High suicide rates in Korea are largely a combination of innate traits (future-oriented thinking and competitiveness) and a culture of obsession with material success. You can't really change the former, so you're left tweaking with the latter. The latter is a prisoner's dilemma though: you toning things down and taking it a bit easier only provides better results for you if your "opponent" does as well. |
Truth is... my "solution" to this might be looked at as odd by others. I'd like to see a societal switch from the "one path to success" that so many Koreans view (good grades, good school, company man). I'd love to see a more diversified view of success here - so that if a kid fails a test, or fails to enter X school, they still feel there are a lot of options available to them . |
There are elem-high schools that cater to that, but I think societal and peer pressure eventually gets to parents and they turn in to crazy tiger moms. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Instead of annual reports on these numbers, I'd love to see the gov (and related organizations) doing something proactive about it. |
Like what, though? High suicide rates in Korea are largely a combination of innate traits (future-oriented thinking and competitiveness) and a culture of obsession with material success. You can't really change the former, so you're left tweaking with the latter. The latter is a prisoner's dilemma though: you toning things down and taking it a bit easier only provides better results for you if your "opponent" does as well. |
Truth is... my "solution" to this might be looked at as odd by others. I'd like to see a societal switch from the "one path to success" that so many Koreans view (good grades, good school, company man). I'd love to see a more diversified view of success here - so that if a kid fails a test, or fails to enter X school, they still feel there are a lot of options available to them . |
I think it's the American SAT system on extreme steriods. Luckliy no such system in Canada. Unis only look at your high school grades and all high schools are considered equal. We were lucky to be educated on such a country.  |
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cabeza
Joined: 29 Sep 2012
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| KimchiNinja wrote: |
Korea is still the best place in the world dammit.
A little population control only makes it better... |
In some ways I admire the fact that you are able to enjoy it so much here.
But on the other......have you travelled much beyond this area?
You really think Korea is the best place in the world?
Crazy talk. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
I think it's the American SAT system on extreme steriods. Luckliy no such system in Canada. Unis only look at your high school grades and all high schools are considered equal. We were lucky to be educated on such a country. |
What an abominable system. Grades are highly subjective and do not offer any independent demonstration of actual skills. Not all history or English classes are created equal. To suggest otherwise is to believe in some fantasy.
Standardized testing may be flawed, but at least its not subject to the feelings of teachers who think failing kids is "mean" and by schools pressuring their staff to pass everyone out of legislative/budget concerns.
Korea's major education flaw is not their rigorous testing or competitive atmosphere (which I think are actually good things- the world is competitive, get used to it) its the lack of second chance opportunities and a "teach to the test" element, which is part of the rigorous testing (all things have their drawbacks). I think the alternative to good grade as a second criteria beyond testing should be rigorous civil/military service. Either get in early on test scores or get in later following service, but NOT on grades.
I don't think the problem is so much the lifestyle, as it is the cultural acceptance of such an act. Its mildly more accepted here.
There's a reason mass shootings are more likely in the U.S. There is a slightly greater fascination with guns (and I'd say very slight, even though some think other countries have no interest in guns and Americans are obsessed about them) compared to other places.
I don't know what would cure this problem. |
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optik404
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Canadians, is that true? No standardized test like the SAT, only HS grades are looked at during the application process? |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| optik404 wrote: |
| Canadians, is that true? No standardized test like the SAT, only HS grades are looked at during the application process? |
When I went to school it was HS grades + provincial exams. |
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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| optik404 wrote: |
| Canadians, is that true? No standardized test like the SAT, only HS grades are looked at during the application process? |
Well, there's often more to it than that. I had to get reference letters, write a couple of short essays and maybe even include some course work. In some provinces, there are standardized tests that are factored into your grades so it's not like your teacher just pulls a letter out of a hat like SR implies. When I was in high school in Ontario we still had grade 13 (Ontario Academic Credits, OACs) that you had to attend to get into Uni. These had pretty strict guidelines, including independent projects and various other projects (frankly, I found these more challenging than first year Uni classes, besides the amount of work--we only had to take 6 OACs over a year while it was 5 classes per semester at Uni). They don't do that anymore, but I hear there are more standardized tests. The difference being these tests are throughout the year and make up your final grade, instead of one test determining your future.
There may be benefits and deficits in all the systems, but I used to work somewhere that tutored for the SAT. Sorry, but most of what's on there has almost zero basis in what the kid's future. I'm not sure if knowing the definition of aehamic is a good way of judging if he can pass Chemistry 101. |
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