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Rockhard
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I presume with Seoul being more popular that things will tighten there more than in other cities.
Or will it be just as difficult finding work in other cities such as Busan, Daegu etc?
If not, which cities would you folk recommend? |
You're 13th on the list of desirability so maybe you should be applying for jobs in Goyang
Korean cities by desirability for TEFLers (feel free to disagree)
1. Seoul
2. Busan
3. Jeju
4. Bundang
5. Ulsan
6 Yongin
7. Suwon
8 Daejeon
9 Daegu
10 Gwangju
11 Changwon
12 Seongnam
13 Goyang
14 Bucheon
15 Ansan |
I live in Goyang, but work in Seoul. Not much there. Maybe a dozen hagwons and a dozen elementary school positions with people who aren't leaving. There's two adult academies as well. Low-key though. |
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maximmm
Joined: 01 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
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I presume with Seoul being more popular that things will tighten there more than in other cities.
Or will it be just as difficult finding work in other cities such as Busan, Daegu etc?
If not, which cities would you folk recommend? |
You're 13th on the list of desirability so maybe you should be applying for jobs in Goyang
Korean cities by desirability for TEFLers (feel free to disagree)
1. Seoul
2. Busan
3. Jeju
4. Bundang
5. Ulsan
6 Yongin
7. Suwon
8 Daejeon
9 Daegu
10 Gwangju
11 Changwon
12 Seongnam
13 Goyang
14 Bucheon
15 Ansan |
That list is highly flawed. Daegu above Bucheon/Seongnam? Seriously?
Seongnam should be right up there on par with Bundang, given that it's nearly the same location. Bucheon should be on par with Suwon. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2014 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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| That list is highly flawed. . |
I agree, I just compiled it using a mixture of Cohiba's rule (the nearer to Seoul the better) plus Jeju and Busan added on and then the other cities in descending order of size. The nearer to Seoul bit was just made up of the cities I know near Seoul so yeah, a rush job. Just wrote it to spark a debate really. What would your list be? |
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ibeattheborg
Joined: 17 Dec 2010
Location: the deep blue sea
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| Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:54 am Post subject: Re: Recruiting Agencies Not Replying to Emails |
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Have emailed a ton of agencies in response to their ads on eslcafe.com
1. I'm a certified elementary teacher
2. I have 2 years experience in Korea (came back home a few months ago)
3. I have 2 great references from my time in Korea and references from Ireland too.
But not a peep. Nobody is even replying to my emails. |
The part in bold could be part of the problem. But are you female? (Most certified elementary teachers are.) If so, I think if you hold out and are patient, you will be able to get something eventually.
From most preferred to least preferred:
Female from the United States
Female from Canada
Female from England
Female from Australia
Female from New Zealand
Female from Ireland
Female from South Africa
Male from the United States
Male from Canada
Male from England
Male from Australia
Male from New Zealand
Male from Ireland
Male from South Africa |
Idiot!
Or sage?
Or oracle?
Would you kindly PM me next Saturday's Lotto numbers? Cheers;) |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:23 am Post subject: |
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ibeattheborg, notice how people are not disputing my list as much as edwardcatflap's. What I wrote is true, whether you want to believe it or not. (I'm guessing you fall somewhere towards the bottom of the list. Tough break, man. Life's not fair.)
BTW, if you are wondering how I came up with what I did- I know Koreans who hire Westerners. |
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FastForward
Joined: 04 Jul 2011
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| Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:16 am Post subject: Re: Recruiting Agencies Not Replying to Emails |
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Hi folks,
Long story short, I'm looking to head back to Seoul asap. Have emailed a ton of agencies in response to their ads on eslcafe.com
1. I'm a certified elementary teacher
2. I have 2 years experience in Korea (came back home a few months ago)
3. I have 2 great references from my time in Korea and references from Ireland too.
But not a peep. Nobody is even replying to my emails. I find it very strange. I have applied for a variety of locations and only replied to actual job advertisements. None of my emails were speculative.
The thing is, the recruiters have posted the same ads a few times and I'm emailing them a second time saying, "I told you I wanted to apply for the job in Mapo Gu/whatever Gu" and yet they're not even responding.
Why are they posting jobs several times but not even acknowledging my emails? Is it a ploy to get people's details in order to offer them positons outside of Seoul and the other popular areas?
Or has the job market just dried up completely?
I'm confused to be honest. |
Kindergarten ads are all over the place. Are you looking for mainly kindy or elementary/middle? It seems like the Elementary jobs have really dried up lately. Have a few friends looking and can't get anything. |
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cdninkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:35 am Post subject: |
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Korean cities by desirability for TEFLers (feel free to disagree)
1. Seoul
2. Busan
3. Jeju
4. Bundang
5. Ulsan
6 Yongin
7. Suwon
8 Daejeon
9 Daegu
10 Gwangju
11 Changwon
12 Seongnam
13 Goyang
14 Bucheon
15 Ansan |
Do many TEFLers want to go to Jeju? I've only been there once for a short trip (and didn't meet any TEFLers there), but I'd imagine it'd be a bit Truman Show-ish, wouldn't it? |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:44 am Post subject: |
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Do many TEFLers want to go to Jeju? I've only been there once for a short trip (and didn't meet any TEFLers there), but I'd imagine it'd be a bit Truman Show-ish, wouldn't it? |
Actually, the top three are the only places in Korea I've ever heard TEFLers talking about wanting to go to. Unless they have a particular reason, like a partner, for going elsewhere. People do say good things about the other cities, , like Bundang, but only after they end up there. |
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Chaparrastique
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 6:11 am Post subject: Re: Recruiting Agencies Not Replying to Emails |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| kraggy wrote: |
I have 2 great references from my time in Korea and references from Ireland too.
But not a peep. Nobody is even replying to my emails. |
The part in bold could be part of the problem. |
Bingo.
Someone gets it. The hiring system here really is pretty simple.
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From most preferred to least preferred: |
In reality the list is more like this:
No. 1 Attractive Blonde 20- something Female from the United States
2 Attractive Blonde 20- something Female from Canada
3 Attractive Blonde 20- something Female from England
4 Attractive Blonde 20- something Female from Australia
5 Attractive Blonde 20- something Female from New Zealand
6 Attractive Blonde 20- something Female from Ireland
7 Attractive Blonde 20- something Female from South Africa
8 Blonde 20- something Female from the United States
9 Blonde 20- something Female from Canada
10 Blonde 20- something Female from England
11 Blonde 20- something Female from Australia
12 Blonde 20- something Female from New Zealand
13 Blonde 20- something Female from Ireland
14 Blonde 20- something Female from South Africa
15 Blonde under-50's Female from the United States
16 Blonde under 50's Female from Canada
17 Blonde under 50's Female from England
18 Blonde under 50's Female from Australia
19 Blonde under 50's Female from New Zealand
20 Blonde under 50's Female from Ireland
21 Blonde under 50's Female from South Africa
22 White Female, any hair colour or appearance, from the United States
23 White Female, any hair colour or appearance, from Canada
24 White Female, any hair colour or appearance, from England
25 White Female, any hair colour or appearance, from Australia
26 White Female, any hair colour or appearance, from New Zealand
27 White Female, any hair colour or appearance, from Ireland
28 White Female, any hair colour or appearance, from South Africa
29 Young Blonde White Male from the United States
30 Young Blonde White Male from Canada
31 Young Blonde White Male from England
32 Young Blonde White Male from Australia
33 Young Blonde White Male from New Zealand
34 Young Blonde White Male from Ireland
35 Young Blonde White Male from South Africa
36 Old Blonde White Male from the United States
Old Blonde White Male from Canada
Old Blonde White Male from England
Old Blonde White Male from Australia
Old Blonde White Male from New Zealand
Old Blonde White Male from Ireland
Old Blonde White Male from South Africa
White Male, any hair colour, from the United States
White Male, any hair colour,from Canada
White Male, any hair colour, from England
White Male, any hair colour, from Australia
White Male, any hair colour, from New Zealand
White Male, any hair colour, from Ireland
White Male, any hair colour, from South Africa
Young Black Female from the United States
Young Black Female from Canada
Young Black Female from England
Young Black Female from Australia
Young Black Female from New Zealand
Young Black Female from Ireland
Young Black Female from South Africa
Old Qualified Male from the United States
Old qualified Male from Canada
Old qualified Male from England
Old qualified Male from Australia
Old qualified Male from New Zealand
Old qualified Male from Ireland
Old qualified Male from South Africa
Black Male from the United States
Black Male from Canada
Black Male from England
Black Male from Australia
Black Male from New Zealand
Black Male from Ireland
Black Male from South Africa
Asian-DNA Male from the United States
Asian-DNA Male from Canada
Asian-DNA Male from England
Asian-DNA Male from Australia
Asian-DNA Male from New Zealand
Asian-DNA Male from Ireland
Asian-DNA Male from South Africa
Ask yourself what number you are OP.
PS 1-35 get a job in seoul, 36 downwards get jobs in chungchongbuknamdo |
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ibeattheborg
Joined: 17 Dec 2010
Location: the deep blue sea
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| Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 6:20 am Post subject: |
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ibeattheborg, notice how people are not disputing my list as much as edwardcatflap's. What I wrote is true, whether you want to believe it or not. (I'm guessing you fall somewhere towards the bottom of the list. Tough break, man. Life's not fair.)
BTW, if you are wondering how I came up with what I did- I know Koreans who hire Westerners. |
What? You know Koreans who hire Westerners? All of them?
Where I come on your list is not relevant. It is not my experience.
That is why you are an idiot. Do you accept my experience? |
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Stain
Joined: 08 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:35 am Post subject: |
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| ibeattheborg wrote: |
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ibeattheborg, notice how people are not disputing my list as much as edwardcatflap's. What I wrote is true, whether you want to believe it or not. (I'm guessing you fall somewhere towards the bottom of the list. Tough break, man. Life's not fair.)
BTW, if you are wondering how I came up with what I did- I know Koreans who hire Westerners. |
What? You know Koreans who hire Westerners? All of them?
Where I come on your list is not relevant. It is not my experience.
That is why you are an idiot. Do you accept my experience? |
Personal experience and perception of reality are one in the same really. That being said, I think both of you are right.
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creeper1
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:46 am Post subject: op |
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OP - ignore world traveler - he is an irresponsible debbie downer. Someone who thinks the world is coming to and end. 
Fact of the matter is I know tons of Brits and Irish working in Seoul.
You WILL get a job. Just don't take no BS from recruiters. Remember you are the prize.
Good luck. Worst comes to worst you can take a job in Gyeonggi.  |
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Stain
Joined: 08 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:57 am Post subject: |
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kraggy
Joined: 06 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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Cheers creeper.
Thing is, I've enquired about jobs in Gyeonngi too. I'm not TOO fussy about where I end up. But even if I say to recruiters that I'm open to working in several locations, I'm not getting any offers.
I'll just keep on trying. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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OP - ignore world traveler - he is an irresponsible debbie downer. Someone who thinks the world is coming to and end.
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OP - ignore creeper1. He has this weird notion that by continuously bigging up TEFL in Korea, fewer people will head over to China to compete for his job.
I suspect the truth is somehwere between the two |
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