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Gaininganadventur
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| Youngben88 wrote: |
I taught uni in china and enjoyed it but was fired from my second job and then returned to the uk and volunteered in a college.
No paid job but life was sweet, then got a job with nova in Tokyo but visited china first having my phone taken, being stranded, searching for my 'friend' in gz and buying a cheap phone to use qq (was charged more than I should have been), could not find him so flew up to Baotou on the invite of my 'best friend' got beaten by an ex and some random thugs she knew, charged ten times to send my stuff to Baotou (was only a few t shirts and shirts for the trip so not worth it), my 'best friend''s staff then demanded money for me to get it, then taking a holiday to Sanya and flying back to the uk, the trip costing five grand before needing to then go to Tokyo from the uk yada yada lol |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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Good info here:
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First, many of the teachers do not like how the EPIK system is run nor do they like how hogwans only care about how many students they have. Not to mention some people are just not geared towards games and songs. Hence why they head to universities.
Also most decent universities tend to want to keep their staff on for longer terms. Those looking for some sort of stability seek uni jobs as they always need English teachers. For the universities and especially those with English campuses this is not a passing fad but a requirement.
The thing that the OP needs to understand is that these jobs are highly competitive and the universities are getting pickier. You are up against new teachers that are looking for that "holy grail" and "easy uni job" and old timers looking for a stable job where they won't have to dance and sing. The interviews are tough and there are hundreds of applicants for a single position.
The keys to landing a decent job typically are:
1) A masters
2) Years of experience in teaching Korean students
3) Adult teaching experience, especially at the uni level
4) Professionalism
5) Good qualifications
6) Good references from high level people (School Principals, MOE officials, Company managers, etc.) |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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The keys to landing a decent job typically are:
1) A masters
2) Years of experience in teaching Korean students
3) Adult teaching experience, especially at the uni level
4) Professionalism
5) Good qualifications
6) Good references from high level people (School Principals, MOE officials, Company managers, etc.) |
You forgot...
7) Be an attractive woman - by all accounts universities here are just as keen to sign them up as kiddie hagwans. |
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Youngben88
Joined: 19 Jul 2013
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| edwardcatflap wrote: |
| 7) Be an attractive woman |
Definitely a huge advantage. Look at this "female only" ad (the recruiter posted it on a Korean English Teachers Facebook page asking for "females only" to apply):
- BA in English/Education or Bachelor’s Degree plus TESOL qualification (teaching experience is preferable)
- Monthly salary of 250,000 Yen
- 14 hours per week
- Paid university holiday
- Full board and a small teacher’s apartment, including utilities
- Return airfares between the applicant’s country of residence and Japan
So yeah, man, gender discrimination is big here, in Japan, and elsewhere across the ESL world.
For a male to get a university job in Japan in 2014: hard as hell. Same deal in Korea. For females, much easier. |
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Brooks
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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Yep, gender discrimination is right.
I know a teacher who quit a job at a university in Tokyo but they still asked her to stay part-time which she is going to do.
But if I, as a male, would quit a university job, they would never, ever contact me again.
It looks like the best I can get around Tokyo is just part-time teaching at three schools.
Seems like China is calling for some people.
I know a teacher getting 50,000 dollars a year in China. With the low cost of living, seems like a good opportunity. |
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I'm With You
Joined: 01 Sep 2011
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Canadian women with master's degrees can write their own ticket in South Korea. It's true. They win. Bottom line.
The men lose. Too many of us. And basic wisdom is that it's safer, better, to have a woman on staff.
And if she's good looking and qualified, well, then she's got a job for as long as she wants it. |
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337heaven
Joined: 27 Mar 2013
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| drydell wrote: |
Uni semesters are 16 weeks spring- summer 16 weeks autumn-winter .. Many people working uni have no obligatory camps so .. Do the math(s)..(this often includes a 'make up missed classes week' so take off 2 more weeks)
1.8 is unusually low these days..
If you have a masters and are teaching esl in Korea- you should aim to have a uni job by your 2nd contract.. |
If I only have a BA and heading into my 2nd year are my chances slim? I have a CELTA and facial hair  |
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GENO123
Joined: 28 Jan 2010
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Generally speaking there are three types of situations if you work for a Korean university
A ) A name university where you get pushed around and your life is miserable. Feeling safe at your "name" university?. Well, just wait a while.
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B ) A university where you get paid next to nothing
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C ) Both A & B
You can avoid this IF you have a PHD and it is also true that working in Korea is better than Wall Mart but for those just getting out of college, but basically the in between between those two extremes in Korea is rapidly disappearing if it isn't already gone.
Yes you can pretty much write off teaching in Korea if you need a salary any greater that what is needed to support a single person unless one has a PHD.
“Ethics at Korean universities” Questionable. |
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420bro
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| I have worked at a university in Seoul for eight years, the past five of which I have been on the hiring committee, interviewed all of the candidates, and had a say in each step of the decision making process. I would say most of the responses in this thread are pretty inaccurate with the exception of the claim that it is getting much more competitive. Every hiring period we find ourselves struggling to find qualified applicants despite the hundreds of applications we receive. |
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GENO123
Joined: 28 Jan 2010
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An MA (even in TESOL) + exp will not protect anyone anymore.
Actually I don't even know what the fuss about university jobs anyway. How much do they pay anyway?
Even if they say 12- 16 hours you'll be working much more than that for zero compensation correcting papers , homework and doing administrative stuff along with excessive paperwork . Vacations? You will be spending them making reports and doing paper work as well.
Teaching at a Korean University is a trick. |
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Jodami
Joined: 08 Feb 2013
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| Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 10:05 am Post subject: |
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| Actually I don't even know what the fuss about university jobs anyway. How much do they pay anyway? |
LMAO. You never worked at a uni yet you're slamming what you haven't tried. 
You know what GENO - don't ever become rich, because being a millionaire is much more stressful than being poor. Got it? 
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| Teaching at a Korean University is a trick. |
You stick to being a hagwon lackie. You hearing me Geno?  |
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GENO123
Joined: 28 Jan 2010
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Jodami Let me start by asking
When did you get the power to know where anyone has gone , worked or done? Or what anyone's qualifications are?
seems i you didn't read my question correctly.
Shall we repeat the question above:
What do Korean universities pay nowadays? (Anyone can go to the job board for an answer) Going to make a lot of money are we?
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A millionaire? huh 
As I wrote above:
You can avoid this IF you have a PHD and it is also true that working in Korea is better than Wall Mart but for those just getting out of college, but basically the in between between those two extremes in Korea is rapidly disappearing if it isn't already gone.
Yes, you can pretty much write off teaching in Korea if you need a salary any greater that what is needed to support a single person unless one has a PHD.
“Ethics at Korean universities” Questionable.
Jodami here is some advice : Just cause your university hasn't turned on you yet doesn't mean they aren't going to. |
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swashbuckler
Joined: 20 Nov 2010
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| GENO123 wrote: |
| Shall we repeat the question above: What do Korean universities pay nowadays? (Anyone can go to the job board for an answer) Going to make a lot of money are we? |
No no all the WONDERFUL 4million+ a month jobs are only given through word-or-mouth, the kind that only the anonymous posters of Daves ESL CAFE know about (but aren't telling anyone).
You need take PatrickBusan's advice and start "networking" by hanging around Itaewon bars or going to that overpriced joke known as the KOTESOL conference to find those golden opportunities I'm sure you're new "friends" will be more than happy to set you up |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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So many places were a good deal, but no longer are.
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| Yonsei Wonju: used to be a good job, a couple years ago they were offering 3.5 for 15 hours a week. They just posted on Dave's and offer 2.5-2.8 for 18 hours. |
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