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Scorpion
Joined: 15 Apr 2012
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 Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:18 pm Post subject: Re: we do it to ourselves.... |
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| hiamnotcool wrote: |
| -just generally air all the dirty laundry about their workplace in public and constantly mock their employers and the people that pay their bills |
LOL.
Nobody pays my bills. I pay my own bills. |
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hiamnotcool
Joined: 06 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 12:00 am Post subject: Re: we do it to ourselves.... |
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| Scorpion wrote: |
| hiamnotcool wrote: |
| -just generally air all the dirty laundry about their workplace in public and constantly mock their employers and the people that pay their bills |
LOL.
Nobody pays my bills. I pay my own bills. |
is that checkmate #2 or #3? nothing gets past you, and that's why i break out in cold sweats as i spend hours proof reading my posts for this site, at the end of the day it's totally worth it though, because dave's is a place where where respect is earned not given. |
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Stain
Joined: 08 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:37 pm Post subject: Re: we do it to ourselves.... |
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| Stain wrote: |
| Ginormousaurus wrote: |
| hiamnotcool wrote: |
So I think about people planning on returning to their home country and how much a career as an ESL teacher in Korea will help them get a job.
I imagine the guy conducting the interview or looking at their resume seeing NET in Korea pop up and googling it to find out what it's all about. Maybe finding some recruiting companies and then finding that most NETs will go online and....
-complain about their bosses, the food, the people
-appear to be narcissistic people that think they are too good for the job that they have
-use underhanded methods to get holidays, benefits, skip out on work, get out of contracts
-just generally air all the dirty laundry about their workplace in public and constantly mock their employers and the people that pay their bills
-instead of taking advantage of the opportunity to live abroad and learn, just talk about how they would rather be somewhere else or how home is better
It's defnitely only a small portion of the ESL community that does this in Korea, but it is what most of the material found on the internet consists of. I am guilty of contributing to it as well.
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So is it most NETs or a small portion? It can't be both. |
Checkmate |
and at the end of the day, that's what this is all really about isn't it? |
Of course that's what it is about, not just on dave's but the world in general. That's just my opinion, though. Please feel free to carve it up with a knife. |
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Los Angeloser
Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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OP says...
"Unfortunately, we are continually shooting ourselves in the foot by committing one of the most deadly sins of any workplace which is broadcasting the most simple problems in public."
Why don't you complain(send private message) to the enabler and tell him to close the discussion board? Or, you could just request stricter monitoring of negative or complaining comments. Happy Korea, everything is so lovely LaLaLa. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:02 pm Post subject: Re: we do it to ourselves.... |
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Don't worry about it. Unless you're applying for an esl position back home, it won't mean diddly to your employers. In fact, they will be curious why you wasted that time abroad. Some might be impressed depending on what job you're applying for. If they were so inclined to read up on NET's online, I'm pretty sure they would agree with the complaining considering it's a place they have no idea about. |
The fact that someone worked overseas may or may not be valuable to an employer. It depends on what the employer values in his employees, and that varies greatly. As far as the people on this forum, there is a motley crew of narcassists here. Although I think that most people that bad mouth the Hogwans truly have been messed around with by their bosses. |
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Squire
Joined: 26 Sep 2010
Location: Jeollanam-do
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| Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm always surprised how impressed people back home seem to be with teaching English here. The ESL community here seems to view itself in such a negative light I often forget not everybody sees it that way. Whether that extends to people offering jobs is another matter, of course |
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hiamnotcool
Joined: 06 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:34 pm Post subject: Re: we do it to ourselves.... |
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| Stain wrote: |
| hiamnotcool wrote: |
| Stain wrote: |
| Ginormousaurus wrote: |
| hiamnotcool wrote: |
So I think about people planning on returning to their home country and how much a career as an ESL teacher in Korea will help them get a job.
I imagine the guy conducting the interview or looking at their resume seeing NET in Korea pop up and googling it to find out what it's all about. Maybe finding some recruiting companies and then finding that most NETs will go online and....
-complain about their bosses, the food, the people
-appear to be narcissistic people that think they are too good for the job that they have
-use underhanded methods to get holidays, benefits, skip out on work, get out of contracts
-just generally air all the dirty laundry about their workplace in public and constantly mock their employers and the people that pay their bills
-instead of taking advantage of the opportunity to live abroad and learn, just talk about how they would rather be somewhere else or how home is better
It's defnitely only a small portion of the ESL community that does this in Korea, but it is what most of the material found on the internet consists of. I am guilty of contributing to it as well.
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So is it most NETs or a small portion? It can't be both. |
Checkmate |
and at the end of the day, that's what this is all really about isn't it? |
Of course that's what it is about, not just on dave's but the world in general. That's just my opinion, though. Please feel free to carve it up with a knife. |
Well in a court of law or when dealing with contracts or something along those lines I think semantics are worth obsessing over. If someone is giving a brief and you have a personal vendetta against them go ahead and sharpshoot. If it's middle school show and tell and you want to make your childhood nemesis look bad you might try to pick apart their choice of words.
In a general discussion forum where people are just trying throwing ideas around I really don't think it's worth anyone's time. I think the point I was trying to get across was pretty obvious. I still went ahead and made the correction though if you go back and read the thread. I was looking for a discussion on the issue. I'm not trying to debate anyone here, but I'm always up for someone proving me wrong. I just wish they would focus on the bigger picture instead of acting like a robot that is only good for editing english papers.
Well, this is Dave's though. So yeah, I'm not surprised you think that is the point and I wish you luck on all the adventures your special purpose in life will bring your way. |
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hiamnotcool
Joined: 06 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Squire wrote: |
| I'm always surprised how impressed people back home seem to be with teaching English here. The ESL community here seems to view itself in such a negative light I often forget not everybody sees it that way. Whether that extends to people offering jobs is another matter, of course |
I agree. I think there is a lot of potential for networking in Korea, and I think it would be better for NETs if their online presence was more positive overall. I've met a lot of intelligent and hardworking teachers here that I consider good workers. The people I know back home don't know much about it but they usually like the sound of it. However, it only takes a few videos or blog posts to create a bad impression of all of us. I know they will never be stamped out, but the frequency and impact they have just never seems to let up lol. |
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Stain
Joined: 08 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 4:21 am Post subject: Re: we do it to ourselves.... |
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| hiamnotcool wrote: |
| Stain wrote: |
| hiamnotcool wrote: |
| Stain wrote: |
| Ginormousaurus wrote: |
| hiamnotcool wrote: |
So I think about people planning on returning to their home country and how much a career as an ESL teacher in Korea will help them get a job.
I imagine the guy conducting the interview or looking at their resume seeing NET in Korea pop up and googling it to find out what it's all about. Maybe finding some recruiting companies and then finding that most NETs will go online and....
-complain about their bosses, the food, the people
-appear to be narcissistic people that think they are too good for the job that they have
-use underhanded methods to get holidays, benefits, skip out on work, get out of contracts
-just generally air all the dirty laundry about their workplace in public and constantly mock their employers and the people that pay their bills
-instead of taking advantage of the opportunity to live abroad and learn, just talk about how they would rather be somewhere else or how home is better
It's defnitely only a small portion of the ESL community that does this in Korea, but it is what most of the material found on the internet consists of. I am guilty of contributing to it as well.
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So is it most NETs or a small portion? It can't be both. |
Checkmate |
and at the end of the day, that's what this is all really about isn't it? |
Of course that's what it is about, not just on dave's but the world in general. That's just my opinion, though. Please feel free to carve it up with a knife. |
Well in a court of law or when dealing with contracts or something along those lines I think semantics are worth obsessing over. If someone is giving a brief and you have a personal vendetta against them go ahead and sharpshoot. If it's middle school show and tell and you want to make your childhood nemesis look bad you might try to pick apart their choice of words.
In a general discussion forum where people are just trying throwing ideas around I really don't think it's worth anyone's time. I think the point I was trying to get across was pretty obvious. I still went ahead and made the correction though if you go back and read the thread. I was looking for a discussion on the issue. I'm not trying to debate anyone here, but I'm always up for someone proving me wrong. I just wish they would focus on the bigger picture instead of acting like a robot that is only good for editing english papers.
Well, this is Dave's though. So yeah, I'm not surprised you think that is the point and I wish you luck on all the adventures your special purpose in life will bring your way. |
Hey, I don't condone it. In fact, I think it's counter productive. But there's a difference between what is and what actually should be. It would seem that a person would gain nothing from doing that here. Yet it still happens. Hell, even I get caught up in it. Maybe it's just a deeply ingrained competitive drive or a need to lash out at a world that frankly couldn't give a shit about us. |
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joelove
Joined: 12 May 2011
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| Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 4:43 am Post subject: |
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| Squire wrote: |
| I'm always surprised how impressed people back home seem to be with teaching English here. The ESL community here seems to view itself in such a negative light I often forget not everybody sees it that way. Whether that extends to people offering jobs is another matter, of course |
The word "teacher" is impressive to many people. There's a lot of ideals associated with that word. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 9:44 am Post subject: Re: we do it to ourselves.... |
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| Stain wrote: |
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So I think about people planning on returning to their home country and how much a career as an ESL teacher in Korea will help them get a job.
I imagine the guy conducting the interview or looking at their resume seeing NET in Korea pop up and googling it to find out what it's all about. Maybe finding some recruiting companies and then finding that most NETs will go online and....
-complain about their bosses, the food, the people
-appear to be narcissistic people that think they are too good for the job that they have
-use underhanded methods to get holidays, benefits, skip out on work, get out of contracts
-just generally air all the dirty laundry about their workplace in public and constantly mock their employers and the people that pay their bills
-instead of taking advantage of the opportunity to live abroad and learn, just talk about how they would rather be somewhere else or how home is better
It's defnitely only a small portion of the ESL community that does this in Korea, but it is what most of the material found on the internet consists of. I am guilty of contributing to it as well.
When I look at the job I see how it could easily be considered an asset to have someone with the experience in a company. Unfortunately, we are continually shooting ourselves in the foot by committing one of the most deadly sins of any workplace which is broadcasting the most simple problems in public. I don't expect it to stop, ever. I just think it's something people should consider when they think about putting this on their resume, or using this as a career builder. I hate to say it, but we do it to ourselves.
The exception would be people just asking for advice and trying to resolve issues, because that really is a difficult thing for people to do in Korea. I just really wish people would stop making youtube videos and blogs that make everyone look bad. |
Don't worry about it. Unless you're applying for an esl position back home, it won't mean diddly to your employers. In fact, they will be curious why you wasted that time abroad. Some might be impressed depending on what job you're applying for. If they were so inclined to read up on NET's online, I'm pretty sure they would agree with the complaining considering it's a place they have no idea about. |
Given the bad economy for the last few years and the crushing student loans folks are graduating with, I hardly think employers will think that at all. |
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Stain
Joined: 08 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:59 pm Post subject: Re: we do it to ourselves.... |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
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| hiamnotcool wrote: |
So I think about people planning on returning to their home country and how much a career as an ESL teacher in Korea will help them get a job.
I imagine the guy conducting the interview or looking at their resume seeing NET in Korea pop up and googling it to find out what it's all about. Maybe finding some recruiting companies and then finding that most NETs will go online and....
-complain about their bosses, the food, the people
-appear to be narcissistic people that think they are too good for the job that they have
-use underhanded methods to get holidays, benefits, skip out on work, get out of contracts
-just generally air all the dirty laundry about their workplace in public and constantly mock their employers and the people that pay their bills
-instead of taking advantage of the opportunity to live abroad and learn, just talk about how they would rather be somewhere else or how home is better
It's defnitely only a small portion of the ESL community that does this in Korea, but it is what most of the material found on the internet consists of. I am guilty of contributing to it as well.
When I look at the job I see how it could easily be considered an asset to have someone with the experience in a company. Unfortunately, we are continually shooting ourselves in the foot by committing one of the most deadly sins of any workplace which is broadcasting the most simple problems in public. I don't expect it to stop, ever. I just think it's something people should consider when they think about putting this on their resume, or using this as a career builder. I hate to say it, but we do it to ourselves.
The exception would be people just asking for advice and trying to resolve issues, because that really is a difficult thing for people to do in Korea. I just really wish people would stop making youtube videos and blogs that make everyone look bad. |
Don't worry about it. Unless you're applying for an esl position back home, it won't mean diddly to your employers. In fact, they will be curious why you wasted that time abroad. Some might be impressed depending on what job you're applying for. If they were so inclined to read up on NET's online, I'm pretty sure they would agree with the complaining considering it's a place they have no idea about. |
Given the bad economy for the last few years and the crushing student loans folks are graduating with, I hardly think employers will think that at all. |
Fair enough. |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Hey, here is a thought op, get out there and do a little more than just skating by for years on end at a hakwon. Maybe, just maybe, when and if one returns 'home' they will easily be able to get through it without stumbling through having to explain themselves. |
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Chaparrastique
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:18 am Post subject: Re: we do it to ourselves.... |
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| I think that most people that bad mouth the Hogwans truly have been messed around with by their bosses. |
Anyone who has been in Korea for a few years will have been abused, robbed, lied to or cheated at some point- either by exploitive recruiters , bosses or even the students themselves.
Employees get routinely abused in the west too. Its just of a certain type here. Korea loves to heap stress upon people from all directions until they snap. |
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hiamnotcool
Joined: 06 Feb 2012
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| Posted: Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:23 am Post subject: |
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| Hey, here is a thought op, get out there and do a little more than just skating by for years on end at a hakwon. Maybe, just maybe, when and if one returns 'home' they will easily be able to get through it without stumbling through having to explain themselves. |
I never worked at a hakwon, and I think I will be ok.
I don't think everyone at a hakwon is just "skating by" though. I think the people that say they were skating by at the hakwons are the people that did skate by. Maybe it makes them feel better about how lazy and useless they were to their school to label every other hakwon teacher in Korea as being just as lazy. I have met a lot of hakwon teachers that worked a lot harder than some people in the USA making more than them, and those people would be an asset to a workforce. The image of a freeloading person who got a job anyone with a bachelors that can breath could get (regardless of how accurate that is) just isn't something a moderately intelligent person would want to present as their work experience. Yet people come online and present themselves that way over and over again, then demand respect and career progression. |
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