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Died By Bear

Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee

Posted: Mon May 12, 2014 4:48 pm Post subject:

These alcohol fueled antics are not isolated to Korea. This just happened 2012: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/25/14098468-soldier-allegedly-shoots-friend-while-trying-to-cure-victims-hiccups?lite Guy is in the ARMY, where they teach you to treat EVERY firearm as if it were loaded. It all goes back to irresponsible drinking.

Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

Posted: Mon May 12, 2014 5:01 pm Post subject:

I have a feeling it was curfew that "stopped" them from bringing their buddy home. They were trying to wait it out.

optik404

Joined: 24 Jun 2008

Posted: Mon May 12, 2014 5:23 pm Post subject:

So, they get in to an altercation at around 3:45AM, the victim is knocked out and presumably unconscious the whole time, then they wait for the first train and check in at 7:30AM, then they wait till 1PM to actually take him to a hospital? What were these guys doing with him the entire time?

Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

Posted: Mon May 12, 2014 6:55 pm Post subject:

optik404 wrote:

So, they get in to an altercation at around 3:45AM, the victim is knocked out and presumably unconscious the whole time, then they wait for the first train and check in at 7:30AM, then they wait till 1PM to actually take him to a hospital? What were these guys doing with him the entire time?

Drinking and sleeping it off?

r2b2ct

Joined: 14 Jun 2013

Posted: Mon May 12, 2014 7:08 pm Post subject:

Steelrails wrote:

optik404 wrote:

Drinking and sleeping it off?

I was thinking something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=oXNxIwH6yG0#t=64

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Mon May 12, 2014 7:26 pm Post subject:

guavashake wrote:

BackRow wrote:

Time and time again the ones here show they are for the most part morons.

Among ESL teachers in Korea, there have been child predators and child pornographers.
Most, if not all of them were members of this forum.
.

There have been tens of thousands of ESL teachers in Korea over the last two decades or so (currently the number is around 25000-30,000)

There have never been more than several hundred regular users on this forum (and in recent years less keep coming as other forums appear and become credible challengers to it).

Given that the number of Dave's users have always been a very small percentage of the total number of foreign teachers in Korea (and that not all of them ARE teachers to begin with), your statement sounds like nonsense.

At the least it is extremely (mathematically speaking) improbable.

dairyairy

Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea

Posted: Mon May 12, 2014 9:31 pm Post subject:

Captain Corea wrote:

I have a feeling it was curfew that "stopped" them from bringing their buddy home. They were trying to wait it out.

What time did curfew end?

Died By Bear

Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee

Posted: Tue May 13, 2014 3:01 pm Post subject:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

...There have been tens of thousands of ESL teachers in Korea over the last two decades or so (currently the number is around 25000-30,000).....

[narrating] Well, here I am, anonymous, all right. With guys nobody really cares about. They come from the end of the line, most of them, small towns you never heard of: Pulaski, Tennessee; Brandon, Mississippi; Pork Bend, Utah; Wampum, Pennsylvania. Two years' high school's about it. Maybe if they're lucky, a job waiting for them back in a factory. But most of 'em got nothing. They're poor. They're the unwanted. Yet they're teaching ESL for our society and our freedom. It's weird, isn't it? They're the bottom of the barrel, and they know it. Maybe that's why they call themselves ESL grunts, 'cause a grunt can take it, can take anything. They're the best I've ever seen, Grandma. The heart and soul.

guavashake

Joined: 09 Nov 2013

Posted: Tue May 13, 2014 3:14 pm Post subject:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

guavashake wrote:

BackRow wrote:

Time and time again the ones here show they are for the most part morons.

Among ESL teachers in Korea, there have been child predators and child pornographers.
Most, if not all of them were members of this forum.
.

The fact that you are dumbfounded by my statement is a you problem, not a me problem.
Multiple English teachers in Korea were proven, prosecuted, and publicized child predators and child pornographers.

Several that I know of are discussed in threads on this forum. Of the ones who have ESL Cafe threads dedicated to them, most of them who I know about were members of this forum. One of them I personally encountered more than once.

This is not a matter of opinion, or a concept that was conceived by theorizing or estimating.
You scrutinized my post through a convoluted lense, put a spin on it, and spun it off on a tangent. And you included a disparaging insult.
Your reaction to my post is nonsense. It could have made sense if you simply asked for clarification of something you could not comprehend.

wanderkind

Joined: 01 Jan 2012
Location: Japan

Posted: Tue May 13, 2014 5:15 pm Post subject:

guavashake wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

guavashake wrote:

Among ESL teachers in Korea, there have been child predators and child pornographers.
Most, if not all of them were members of this forum.
.

...straightforward reasoning regarding probability...
At the least it is extremely (mathematically speaking) improbable.

...You scrutinized my post through a convoluted lense, put a spin on it, and spun it off on a tangent...
Your reaction to my post is nonsense. It could have made sense if you simply asked for clarification of something you could not comprehend.

It appears more as though you did what you accused UrbanMyth of doing.
It wasn't like they said "****ing MAGNETS, HOW DO THEY WORK?"
They just said they thought what you said was improbable ('extremely' is up for debate).

Anyway, let's try to stay on topic.
I don't really understand the military curfew. They patrol certain areas because the service people can't be in those areas after a certain time. But do they have to be BACK to base by a certain time? Or just not in those neighbourhoods, and they can't return to base between certain hours?

Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

Posted: Tue May 13, 2014 5:20 pm Post subject:

As far as I understand - they have to be on base between certain hours.

r2b2ct

Joined: 14 Jun 2013

Posted: Tue May 13, 2014 5:29 pm Post subject:

wanderkind wrote:

I don't really understand the military curfew. They patrol certain areas because the service people can't be in those areas after a certain time. But do they have to be BACK to base by a certain time? Or just not in those neighbourhoods, and they can't return to base between certain hours?

I have friends who are soldiers on Yongsan base. Between 1 and 5 they need to be on base. If they attempt to go on base between those hours or are found off base by the patrols, they will face harsh punishments. Oftentimes they will simply stay out all night in a non-patrolled area or dip into a hotel if they don't think they can make it back in time. TBH it seems pretty pointless to me and probably causes more problems than it solves.

wanderkind

Joined: 01 Jan 2012
Location: Japan

Posted: Tue May 13, 2014 8:12 pm Post subject:

r2b2ct wrote:

wanderkind wrote:

Yeah, really. They need to be 'on-base', but there's no actual accounting of who is on-base, and instead they try to spot people off-base? That's an absurd system.
(Labour intensive and ineffective - they must be taking their cues from Korean corporate culture ba-dum-tchshh)

dairyairy

Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea

Posted: Tue May 13, 2014 8:24 pm Post subject:

Captain Corea wrote:

As far as I understand - they have to be on base between certain hours.

He didn't pass away until after 1 pm. If the curfew ended at 5 am then why weren't they bringing him in at 5:01 am? Or stick him in a taxi to a Korean hospital? Why? Because they didn't care. Don't blame the curfew for what happened. Blame those punks in the fight and those who were with him that night/early morning after the fight.

dairyairy

Joined: 17 May 2012
Location: South Korea

Posted: Tue May 13, 2014 8:28 pm Post subject:

wanderkind wrote:

r2b2ct wrote:

wanderkind wrote:

That's how the leadership can appear to be "proactive" without actually doing anything.

BTW, they can easily tell who is on and off post. They scan cards when they leave or enter the post.

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