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schwa

Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 4:14 am Post subject:

Wiki provides a country-by-country summary of dog-eating laws. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_meat Some surprises. Its okay in Canada, for instance, with conditions.

tiger fancini

Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes

Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:15 am Post subject:

Mr. BlackCat wrote:

Thailand is still poor (not as oppressively poor, but still). They don't eat dog.

They do in some parts of the country, specifically Sakon Nakhon.

Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:25 am Post subject:

jazzmaster wrote:

catman wrote:

jvalmer wrote:

Essentially a poor man's meat.

Kind of like haggis.

Haggis is based on using the less desirable parts of a desirable animal in order to minimize waste and maximize the amount of meals obtainable from one animal.
Eating a dog is desperation at not having a desirable animal and therefore eating the only animal you can find.
The current day hotdog is kind of like haggis.

I can't think of a current day example similar to eating a dog.

Lobster. Originally these rats of the sea were fit only to serve to prisoners and the very poor. Then someone dressed it up and it became what it is today. Dog was originally "eat whatever" and then it became a dressed up luxury.

Gamey meats like Venison, buffalo, elk, and so on are popular for their association with hunting. Probably not necessary to eat those animals, but we still do.

And then the exotic meat craze where people are getting into things like snake, alligator, ostrich, and others is just a general curiosity with eating whatever is strange.

I do think anyone who harps on people eating dog and still eats beef should have some sort of "mirror universe" experience in which the Hindus have taken over most of the world and they live in one of the few places that eat beef and listen to everyone rag on them with their hypocrisy as they wolf down lamb.

As long as its not endangered, its all good. Go ahead and eat baby seals if its not endangered. I eat lamb aka baby sheep. Who am I to call you out?

Cave Dweller

Joined: 17 Aug 2014
Location: Seoul

Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 6:01 am Post subject:

I didnt mention beating the dog, I only mentioned eating it.

So to further debate this: Have you ever seen a slaughterhouse for pigs and cows Its no better than what Korean do to dogs.

And also the whole beating the dog thing is more Korean junk science than anything else.

CentralCali wrote:

Cave Dweller wrote:

Do you eat pigs, chickens, and cows

If you do, that makes you a hypocrite.

I'm a vegetarian and I disagree with your assertion. For one thing, there's no myth floating around that beating the daylights out of the pig will improve the diner's stamina. There are a quite a few differences between eating farm animals and eating dog.

mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:57 am Post subject:

Weigookin74 wrote:

mithridates wrote:

Cave Dweller wrote:

Do you eat pigs, chickens, and cows

If you do, that makes you a hypocrite.

Devil's advocate: pigs, chickens and cows were all domesticated to be eaten / milked / have their eggs stolen, whereas dogs were domesticated more as guards and hunting companions, cats as vermin killers. The latter two were sometimes eaten but were never domesticated in the first place as a great source of meat.

If you're walking through a place like Afghanistan in 2006 by yourself you're going to want a big dog like this; using it as meat is a waste and will probably end up in you dying earlier. And when you're storing grain you want a cat to kill the mice, not for a quick meal. Early man made the same decision.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/06/10/books/11bissell.2.500.jpg

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/11/books/review/11cover_bissel.html

When you're startving, you prob eat anything and then later develop a taste for it. Korea, China, etc use to be pretty poor up until recently. Old folks here love this $h!t. Young folks not so much. It'll die out soon enough.

Yep. I had a National Geographic in the house way back when from the early 60s (I think) when President Park was getting ready to build the highway from Seoul to Busan, and some parts of it were showing fried red ant cuisine and how few people ate them anymore. I've yet to meet a Korean that even knew about that.

atwood

Joined: 26 Dec 2009

Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:30 pm Post subject:

Steelrails wrote:

jazzmaster wrote:

catman wrote:

jvalmer wrote:

Essentially a poor man's meat.

Kind of like haggis.

Snake and alligator are not exotic meats. They've been eaten for as long as men could hunt and kill them. Rattlesnake is good eating, alligator not so much. Turtle soup is delicious, IMO.

As for eating game such as deer and elk, the same applies. A farm boy like yourself should know the only meat some people have to eat is the meat they hunt and kill. A good-sized deer will feed a family of four for quite some time. Elk makes a hell of a steak. You should get out more.

BTW, why do you find it necessary to spout nonsense about any and all topics that show up on this forum?

In addition, the culture of eating dog is more complex than "dressed-up luxury." Sheesh.

CentralCali

Joined: 17 May 2007

Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 8:49 pm Post subject:

Cave Dweller wrote:

I didnt mention beating the dog, I only mentioned eating it.

Eating dog in Korea. That entails all the malarkey the locals have dressed up the act with.

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So to further debate this: Have you ever seen a slaughterhouse for pigs and cows

Yes, actually I have.

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Its no better than what Korean do to dogs.

The ones I've seen are a lot better than what Koreans do to dogs. For one thing, the animals are dispatched with an attempt at minimizing the pain. That is decidedly not the case with dogs consumed in Korea.

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And also the whole beating the dog thing is more Korean junk science than anything else.

Of course it's junk science. That doesn't negate the fact that the practice occurs and is even touted.

KimchiNinja

Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam

Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 9:01 pm Post subject:

I could care less about any of this, it's just meat guys. But having just Googled it I will say that it looks slightly disturbing (click at your own risk)... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_meat_consumption_in_South_Korea#mediaviewer/File:Dog_Meat.jpg

Smithington

Joined: 14 Dec 2011

Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:27 pm Post subject:

KimchiNinja wrote:

I could care less about any of this, it's just meat guys.

So are you, you vacuous, amoral bore.

KimchiNinja

Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam

Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:45 pm Post subject:

Smithington wrote:

KimchiNinja wrote:

I could care less about any of this, it's just meat guys.

So are you, you vacuous, amoral bore.

Not vacuous obviously, amoral perhaps 50%.

Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009

Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 7:57 pm Post subject:

mithridates wrote:

Cave Dweller wrote:

Do you eat pigs, chickens, and cows

If you do, that makes you a hypocrite.

Can we draw such an absolute rule? It looks like peoples pretty much all over the world have experience eating dog, so I don't see why we should believe that the (probably food-poor, at least at times) primitives who originally domesticated dogs never had a mind to eat them. Feeding leavings to dogs during the good times to keep them useful, then eating a few of them during the bad times (while leaving enough to breed more) seems like such an obvious food-preservation strategy that it surely must have occurred to someone. Besides, multi-purpose domestication is possible. The fact that you want cows around to milk and eat won't stop you from using them as field labor if it will benefit you, right? The same rule probably applies here.

jvalmer

Joined: 06 Jun 2003

Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:23 pm Post subject:

Always wondered why Koreans get the brunt of the dog-eating backlash from the west, when a lot of places eat, or have eaten dogs.

KimchiNinja

Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam

Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 9:33 pm Post subject:

jvalmer wrote:

Always wondered why Koreans get the brunt of the dog-eating backlash from the west, when a lot of places eat, or have eaten dogs.

Westerner's ancestors have all eaten dog. So their great great grandparents were "vacuous and amoral". Since intelligence is largely hereditary, umm... Laughing

atwood

Joined: 26 Dec 2009

Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 10:24 pm Post subject:

KimchiNinja wrote:

jvalmer wrote:

Always wondered why Koreans get the brunt of the dog-eating backlash from the west, when a lot of places eat, or have eaten dogs.

Westerner's ancestors have all eaten dog. So their great great grandparents were "vacuous and amoral". Since intelligence is largely hereditary, umm... Laughing

You mean Westerners'. Before throwing stones about intelligence, you might think about boarding up the windows on that glass house your're residing in. Very Happy

KimchiNinja

Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam

Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 10:31 pm Post subject:

atwood wrote:

KimchiNinja wrote:

jvalmer wrote:

Always wondered why Koreans get the brunt of the dog-eating backlash from the west, when a lot of places eat, or have eaten dogs.

Westerner's ancestors have all eaten dog. So their great great grandparents were "vacuous and amoral". Since intelligence is largely hereditary, umm... Laughing

You mean Westerners'. Before throwing stones about intelligence, you might think about boarding up the windows on that glass house your're residing in. Very Happy

Doesn't make sense on multiple levels:

1) I wasn't the one who called people stupid who ate dogs, that was racist Smithington...who called his own ancestors retarded.

2) Spelling is not intelligence, it is knowledge.

3) Pedanticism is not intelligent.

Draw sword on the Ninja, get cut down. Laughing

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