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[PRagic]

You're getting into Malthusian predictions here (made at the tail end of the 18th century), and those were disproven in the aftermath of the industrial revolution. Even the neo-Malthusians in the late 19602 to mid 1970s (Club of Rome) had dire predictions that never materialized, largely because of advances in technology and alternative fuels.

And there were no population trends dating back '10,000 years'. For most of human history population right up to after the plague and the black death was low and consistent with high crude birth and death rates. The global population started to shoot up given, again, advances in technology and increasing urbanization rates from place to place.

Having said that, the population delemna largely stems from the fact that it is a mulit-spatial, multi-faceted basket; there are a large number of countries with zero and negative population growth, and there are a number of countries that could indeed benefit from a demographic dividend; each scenario caries with it negative consequences. Approaches cannot be merely economic, as cultural norms and socio-economic and development level considerations carry weight.

A key problem is that the developed countries disproportionately use massive resourses and create equally massive amounts of wastes and contaminants. It's not a 'poor country problem'. For this reason there are now organizations global in scale that address concerns over resourses, pollution, and, yes, population, from a multi-actor perspective.

One possible solution would to increase the opportunity cost of having an additional child in LDCs by not only increasing educational opportunities across the board, but also raising wages in accordance with PPP, something refered to as wage equalization or the wage gap.

Interesting thread....

[KimchiNinja]

[KimchiNinja]

[PRagic]

We'll have to agree to disagree on all the previous points, but any discussion is good. Don't forget that Malthus didn't see eye to eye with Ricardo, or even Marx for that matter, economic history being what it is.

You need to publish that trend you discovered. I'm sure there are a lot of demographers who'd love to have a crack at it, especially if it's based on Wikipedia. Interesting stuff.

I still see the main flaw in these global population problem arguments as a denial or blanked dismissal of smaller scale dilemmas that vary from place to place, and are therefore critically embedded, something you're not addressing.

At any rate, let's not derail the thread, which is very well intentioned.

[KimchiNinja]

[PRagic]

Tisk tisk...no need for derogative comments. Never said ONLY focus on the little places. I said that it's a glocalization-type problem. If you do macro analysis, then you should know that you shouldn't necessarily prioritize any given scale., you need to connect the dots.

At any rate, aside from the snide remarks, good conversation. I'm done here so the thread can get back on track.

[PRagic]

But in my defense, I may have gotten confused because first you wrote this: "I basically ran Malthus' theory way back, because he didn't have the anthropology data during his time to know just how right he was (you are welcome dead Malthus!)... "

But then said this: "My theory is not based on Malthus". Tough to reconcile.

[lithium]

[Stain]

It doesn't matter guys. None of us will be alive when it is unsustainable. Caring about the far distant future is futile. The Earth won't last forever, so who gives a shit?

[Cave Dweller]

Yeah, scientists, ESL Cafe posters....who to trust?

[KimchiNinja]

[KimchiNinja]

[Handsome Boy]

Global Warming is a complete Hoax dreamed up by Maurice Strong, French Canadian billionaire, who was head of the UN in the seventies, essentially he is the De Facto leader of the UN, Ban Ki Moon is a mere front man!

I would urge many of you to watch Lord Christopher Monkton on Youtube who Al Gore won't even debate, no surprises there!

The green agenda is tax through the back door! and de-industrialization of
the West! Hence the reason why we are in such a mess and unable to produce anything because of the sustainable development policies implemented by Western governments. OUR ECONOMY IS DEAD!

Also watch the Youtube link below: Very Good!

http://youtu.be/T3Eo2YTQUr8: The Elites Plan for Global Extermination.
Webster Tarpley.

[KimchiNinja]

[Handsome Boy]

Some of us can think out of the box! others can't!

Do your research and, which I have given you some leads on,
then give an opinion. Don't believe everything main stream news tells you
or government paid scientists for that matter.