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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
Location: London
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 Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 7:43 am Post subject: Re: The Catalonia independence referendum |
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You should never post angry. It makes you too emotional, although well done on refraining from using any vile language.
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Wrong about the SNP.
The main arguments for independence were based in socialist values. |
Yeah like cutting corporation tax and keeping the Queen...real socialist values.
The Scottish Socialist Party are a minor force.
Are you really trying to argue that the SNP were not the major political force driving for independence?
It wasn't stolen.
Scotland is a part of the UK and as such the UK government has every right to exploit the resource. It has also pumped many billions into extracting that oil, something that is often forgotten.
Also you are forgetting that any calculation about Scottish wealth is from Scotland as part of the UK. You cannot say how wealthy Scotland would be without the pound, the border effect and the loss of so much of it's highly valuable financial services industry and higher rate tax payers.
You do realise that the vote to bomb Syria in 2013 and the current vote to join in the action against IS are two different things.
Also the recent vote was won by 524 to 43, quite a few Scottish MPs voted to join the action.
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| Come one, come all! See aq8knyus make a fool of himself, post nonsense, and attempt insults such as "chav". |
Oh Jazzmaster, what are you like. |
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bigverne
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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| they are sovereign independent countries, so for them to let their fising, energy and immigration policies be in large part set by the EU is not a small thing. |
If they can't set their own fishing, energy, and immigration policies, not to mention monetary and trade policies, they are obviously no longer 'sovereign independent countries.' |
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jazzmaster
Joined: 30 Sep 2013
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| Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:08 pm Post subject: Re: The Catalonia independence referendum |
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| aq8knyus wrote: |
You should never post angry. It makes you too emotional, although well done on refraining from using any vile language.
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Wrong about the SNP.
The main arguments for independence were based in socialist values. |
Yeah like cutting corporation tax and keeping the Queen...real socialist values.
The Scottish Socialist Party are a minor force.
Are you really trying to argue that the SNP were not the major political force driving for independence?
It wasn't stolen.
Scotland is a part of the UK and as such the UK government has every right to exploit the resource. It has also pumped many billions into extracting that oil, something that is often forgotten.
Also you are forgetting that any calculation about Scottish wealth is from Scotland as part of the UK. You cannot say how wealthy Scotland would be without the pound, the border effect and the loss of so much of it's highly valuable financial services industry and higher rate tax payers.
You do realise that the vote to bomb Syria in 2013 and the current vote to join in the action against IS are two different things.
Also the recent vote was won by 524 to 43, quite a few Scottish MPs voted to join the action.
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| Come one, come all! See aq8knyus make a fool of himself, post nonsense, and attempt insults such as "chav". |
Oh Jazzmaster, what are you like. |
From the man who, despite having Scottish family, thinks Scottish people are not to be trusted with their own finances (but then instantly changes his mind when he thinks England might benefit).
The man who also forgot that Northern Ireland and Wales are part of the UK.
The man who is so emotionally fragile he finds it "depressing" when people challenge his stream of nonsense, and thinks shite is "vulgar", comes a new post of idiocy displaying all of the following:
Attempt to transfer his own feelings of anger onto another poster.
The inability to acknowledge a movement being bigger than a single political party.
The attempt to justify changing borders, to give England more, as the UK government's "right to exploit the resource".
And the inability to use simple logic.
That's right, folks. The idiot is back and thicker than ever. So let's all sit back, relax, and await his next post. |
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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
Location: London
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:19 am Post subject: Re: The Catalonia independence referendum |
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| From the man who, despite having Scottish family, thinks Scottish people are not to be trusted with their own finances |
Yeah, everyone who was against independence thinks Scots are incapable of running their own country. Apparently including 55% of people living in Scotland.
I didn't say Scotland would collapse, I said that it would be significantly worse off financially. Which is correct.
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| (but then instantly changes his mind when he thinks England might benefit). |
I was concerned about the hastily announced Scottish Convention and was worried that they were going to give eveything to Scotland without any movement on more powers for England.
Since the referendum there has been announcements about a whole new raft of devolved powers. I frankly find it quite exciting that such a change might be taking place.
I doubt you will understand such nuance though.
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| The man who also forgot that Northern Ireland and Wales are part of the UK. |
Not at all.
You though spent a large part of the last thread unable to understand that the UK government isn't the English government and that England doesn't have a parliament.
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| The man who is so emotionally fragile he finds it "depressing" when people challenge his stream of nonsense, and thinks shite is "vulgar", comes a new post of idiocy displaying all of the following |
I find it depressing that instead of debating rationally the points I raise you instead try to use foul language in order to intimidate.
It is chavvy and unwelcome.
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Attempt to transfer his own feelings of anger onto another poster.
The inability to acknowledge a movement being bigger than a single political party. |
Alex Salmond leader of the SNP was the leader of the indy campaign and it was his party that brought about the referendum.
Whilst other parties were involved it is simply not true to say that minor players like the SSP were more important or even equally as important as the SNP.
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The attempt to justify changing borders, to give England more, as the UK government's "right to exploit the resource".
And the inability to use simple logic. |
England is not the UK...how many times does this need to be said?
The UK gov. has spent billions on extracting that oil and will invest 200 billion more to ensure its medium term future.
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| That's right, folks. The idiot is back and thicker than ever. So let's all sit back, relax, and await his next post. |
You need to be less obsessed with me personally and start focusing on building better arguments. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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jazzmaster
Joined: 30 Sep 2013
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 11:27 pm Post subject: Re: The Catalonia independence referendum |
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| From the man who, despite having Scottish family, thinks Scottish people are not to be trusted with their own finances |
Yeah, everyone who was against independence thinks Scots are incapable of running their own country. Apparently including 55% of people living in Scotland.
I didn't say Scotland would collapse, I said that it would be significantly worse off financially. Which is correct.
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| (but then instantly changes his mind when he thinks England might benefit). |
I was concerned about the hastily announced Scottish Convention and was worried that they were going to give eveything to Scotland without any movement on more powers for England.
Since the referendum there has been announcements about a whole new raft of devolved powers. I frankly find it quite exciting that such a change might be taking place.
I doubt you will understand such nuance though.
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| The man who also forgot that Northern Ireland and Wales are part of the UK. |
Not at all.
You though spent a large part of the last thread unable to understand that the UK government isn't the English government and that England doesn't have a parliament.
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| The man who is so emotionally fragile he finds it "depressing" when people challenge his stream of nonsense, and thinks shite is "vulgar", comes a new post of idiocy displaying all of the following |
I find it depressing that instead of debating rationally the points I raise you instead try to use foul language in order to intimidate.
It is chavvy and unwelcome.
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Attempt to transfer his own feelings of anger onto another poster.
The inability to acknowledge a movement being bigger than a single political party. |
Alex Salmond leader of the SNP was the leader of the indy campaign and it was his party that brought about the referendum.
Whilst other parties were involved it is simply not true to say that minor players like the SSP were more important or even equally as important as the SNP.
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The attempt to justify changing borders, to give England more, as the UK government's "right to exploit the resource".
And the inability to use simple logic. |
England is not the UK...how many times does this need to be said?
The UK gov. has spent billions on extracting that oil and will invest 200 billion more to ensure its medium term future.
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| That's right, folks. The idiot is back and thicker than ever. So let's all sit back, relax, and await his next post. |
You need to be less obsessed with me personally and start focusing on building better arguments. |
This moron just keeps going.
He believes the Scottish Adjacent Waters Boundaries Order 1999 is the UK government's "right to exploit the resource".
That's right folks, he believes that:
secretly changing borders (without a vote)
taking 6000 square miles of sea out of the control of the Scottish Parliament
giving the London based UK government control of the 6000 square miles (which just happens to contain oil fields)
this happening right after it was agreed that the Scottish Parliament would have more power
is London's "right to exploit the resource".
So who did this boundary change help? It sure didn't help Scotland.
Yet he struggles to understand why I wrote "justify changing borders to give England more".
A quick goggle search will confirm all I've written.
Yet when I challenge his lies he calls me a "chav". I guess when you have no other legs to stand on it's time to start calling the other guy names.
I'd take all of aq8knyus's posts like I take my chips, with a large pinch of salt.  |
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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
Location: London
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:33 am Post subject: Re: The Catalonia independence referendum |
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| jazzmaster wrote: |
| I guess when you have no other legs to stand on it's time to start calling the other guy names. |
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| This moron just keeps going. |
You were saying?
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| He believes the Scottish Adjacent Waters Boundaries Order 1999 is the UK government's "right to exploit the resource". |
You call me a moron and yet you come up with this? The guy who still cannot understand that the country we are from is called the United Kingdom. As long as Scotland is part of the union those waters belong to the UK, they are British waters and are rightfully exploited by the British government.
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That's right folks, he believes that:
secretly changing borders (without a vote)
taking 6000 square miles of sea out of the control of the Scottish Parliament
giving the London based UK government control of the 6000 square miles (which just happens to contain oil fields)
this happening right after it was agreed that the Scottish Parliament would have more power
is London's "right to exploit the resource". |
If Scotland becomes independent all these things will be be up for negotiation.
Stop getting all flustered over something that has a very marginal effect on Scotland.
It is very possible that a future Scottish government would accept that border if the RUK were to grant concessions in other areas.
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| I'd take all of aq8knyus's posts like I take my chips, with a large pinch of salt. |
...and a battered mars bar no doubt |
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jazzmaster
Joined: 30 Sep 2013
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 3:57 pm Post subject: Re: The Catalonia independence referendum |
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| aq8knyus wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| I guess when you have no other legs to stand on it's time to start calling the other guy names. |
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| This moron just keeps going. |
You were saying?
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| He believes the Scottish Adjacent Waters Boundaries Order 1999 is the UK government's "right to exploit the resource". |
You call me a moron and yet you come up with this? The guy who still cannot understand that the country we are from is called the United Kingdom. As long as Scotland is part of the union those waters belong to the UK, they are British waters and are rightfully exploited by the British government.
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That's right folks, he believes that:
secretly changing borders (without a vote)
taking 6000 square miles of sea out of the control of the Scottish Parliament
giving the London based UK government control of the 6000 square miles (which just happens to contain oil fields)
this happening right after it was agreed that the Scottish Parliament would have more power
is London's "right to exploit the resource". |
If Scotland becomes independent all these things will be be up for negotiation.
Stop getting all flustered over something that has a very marginal effect on Scotland.
It is very possible that a future Scottish government would accept that border if the RUK were to grant concessions in other areas.
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| I'd take all of aq8knyus's posts like I take my chips, with a large pinch of salt. |
...and a battered mars bar no doubt |
Here we see some straight up lies. Or maybe he really is just that stupid.
aq8knyus thinks London will just give up the 6000 square metres of water which contain 3 oil fields.
This is the government that called themselves "project fear" - https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/yesscotland/pages/1755/attachments/original/1373290492/YES_A4_Project_Fear_July13.pdf
London took the area out of Scottish control and put it in the hands of London.
So who controls it?
London.
Where is London?
England.
Yet he continues to argue over "English" or "UK" government.
Here's a link proving everything I've said http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Adjacent_Waters_Boundaries_Order_1999
This is the man that forgot Northern Ireland and Wales were part of the UK.
And here is his latest fail.
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| The guy who still cannot understand that the country we are from is called the United Kingdom |
The UK isn't a country.
And to confirm he has no legs to stand on he makes a snide, stereotypically condescending, battered mars bar quip.
The facts are all there. |
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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
Location: London
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:41 pm Post subject: Re: The Catalonia independence referendum |
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[quote="jazzmaster"][quote="aq8knyus"]
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| I guess when you have no other legs to stand on it's time to start calling the other guy names. |
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| Incoherent rambling about nothing. |
I have read what you have written about Koreans, so spare me the precious whining about a bit of gentle ribbing.
1. The UK is a country.
Also the UK is acceptable shorthand as nobody has the time to write The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland all the time.
2. There is no English parliament.
The government in London is The UK government.
3. This is a non-issue.
In the event of independence things like maritime borders will be up for negotiation. |
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jazzmaster
Joined: 30 Sep 2013
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:23 pm Post subject: Re: The Catalonia independence referendum |
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[quote="aq8knyus"][quote="jazzmaster"]
| aq8knyus wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| I guess when you have no other legs to stand on it's time to start calling the other guy names. |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| Incoherent rambling about nothing. |
I have read what you have written about Koreans, so spare me the precious whining about a bit of gentle ribbing.
1. The UK is a country.
Also the UK is acceptable shorthand as nobody has the time to write The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland all the time.
2. There is no English parliament.
The government in London is The UK government.
3. This is a non-issue.
In the event of independence things like maritime borders will be up for negotiation. |
More lies and excuses from aq8knyus.
I've buried him in this thread. Go back and have a look if you need confirmation. |
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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
Location: London
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:49 pm Post subject: Re: The Catalonia independence referendum |
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[quote="jazzmaster"][quote="aq8knyus"]
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| aq8knyus wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| I guess when you have no other legs to stand on it's time to start calling the other guy names. |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| Incoherent rambling about nothing. |
I have read what you have written about Koreans, so spare me the precious whining about a bit of gentle ribbing.
1. The UK is a country.
Also the UK is acceptable shorthand as nobody has the time to write The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland all the time.
2. There is no English parliament.
The government in London is The UK government.
3. This is a non-issue.
In the event of independence things like maritime borders will be up for negotiation. |
More lies and excuses from aq8knyus.
I've buried him in this thread. Go back and have a look if you need confirmation. |
The only thing you have done in this thread is embarrass yourself. |
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jazzmaster
Joined: 30 Sep 2013
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:00 pm Post subject: Re: The Catalonia independence referendum |
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| aq8knyus wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| aq8knyus wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| I guess when you have no other legs to stand on it's time to start calling the other guy names. |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| Incoherent rambling about nothing. |
I have read what you have written about Koreans, so spare me the precious whining about a bit of gentle ribbing.
1. The UK is a country.
Also the UK is acceptable shorthand as nobody has the time to write The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland all the time.
2. There is no English parliament.
The government in London is The UK government.
3. This is a non-issue.
In the event of independence things like maritime borders will be up for negotiation. |
More lies and excuses from aq8knyus.
I've buried him in this thread. Go back and have a look if you need confirmation. |
The only thing you have done in this thread is embarrass yourself. |
He doesn't even know he's been buried. |
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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
Location: London
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:06 pm Post subject: Re: The Catalonia independence referendum |
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| jazzmaster wrote: |
| aq8knyus wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| aq8knyus wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| I guess when you have no other legs to stand on it's time to start calling the other guy names. |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| Incoherent rambling about nothing. |
I have read what you have written about Koreans, so spare me the precious whining about a bit of gentle ribbing.
1. The UK is a country.
Also the UK is acceptable shorthand as nobody has the time to write The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland all the time.
2. There is no English parliament.
The government in London is The UK government.
3. This is a non-issue.
In the event of independence things like maritime borders will be up for negotiation. |
More lies and excuses from aq8knyus.
I've buried him in this thread. Go back and have a look if you need confirmation. |
The only thing you have done in this thread is embarrass yourself. |
He doesn't even know he's been buried. |
This is getting embarrassing for the both of us now, if you have anything to say in reply to my points then please let me know. If not, then let other people discuss Catalonia and not the Scottish issue which has already been settled. |
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jazzmaster
Joined: 30 Sep 2013
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:18 pm Post subject: Re: The Catalonia independence referendum |
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| aq8knyus wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| aq8knyus wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| aq8knyus wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| I guess when you have no other legs to stand on it's time to start calling the other guy names. |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| Incoherent rambling about nothing. |
I have read what you have written about Koreans, so spare me the precious whining about a bit of gentle ribbing.
1. The UK is a country.
Also the UK is acceptable shorthand as nobody has the time to write The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland all the time.
2. There is no English parliament.
The government in London is The UK government.
3. This is a non-issue.
In the event of independence things like maritime borders will be up for negotiation. |
More lies and excuses from aq8knyus.
I've buried him in this thread. Go back and have a look if you need confirmation. |
The only thing you have done in this thread is embarrass yourself. |
He doesn't even know he's been buried. |
This is getting embarrassing for the both of us now, if you have anything to say in reply to my points then please let me know. If not, then let other people discuss Catalonia and not the Scottish issue which has already been settled. |
If I'd been buried as deeply as I've just buried you in this thread, I'd want to end it too. |
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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
Location: London
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:31 pm Post subject: Re: The Catalonia independence referendum |
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| jazzmaster wrote: |
| aq8knyus wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| aq8knyus wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| aq8knyus wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| I guess when you have no other legs to stand on it's time to start calling the other guy names. |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| Incoherent rambling about nothing. |
I have read what you have written about Koreans, so spare me the precious whining about a bit of gentle ribbing.
1. The UK is a country.
Also the UK is acceptable shorthand as nobody has the time to write The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland all the time.
2. There is no English parliament.
The government in London is The UK government.
3. This is a non-issue.
In the event of independence things like maritime borders will be up for negotiation. |
More lies and excuses from aq8knyus.
I've buried him in this thread. Go back and have a look if you need confirmation. |
The only thing you have done in this thread is embarrass yourself. |
He doesn't even know he's been buried. |
This is getting embarrassing for the both of us now, if you have anything to say in reply to my points then please let me know. If not, then let other people discuss Catalonia and not the Scottish issue which has already been settled. |
If I'd been buried as deeply as I've just buried you in this thread, I'd want to end it too. |
Do you really want the last word this badly? |
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