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Stain
Joined: 08 Jan 2014
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| I think the aim here is to deter those who want to enjoy life from endangering those who don't. And I'm not just talking about smoking either. |
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young_clinton
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:46 am Post subject: |
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| In Sweden and other countries with huge social services cigarettes and alcohol pay the bills. It's called a sin tax. Supposedly it works really well. |
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metalhead
Joined: 18 May 2010
Location: Toilet
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
| In Sweden and other countries with huge social services cigarettes and alcohol pay the bills. It's called a sin tax. Supposedly it works really well. |
Yeah but in Sweden you get money from the government for studying, even for going to high school, so it's easy to afford the booze and cigs. The average 2.1 hakwon salary is what a bus driver earns, and the bus driver works a lot less hours as everything is 'lagom' in Sweden. You really can't compare Sweden to a place like Korea, it's night and day except for the hot girls part; Korea has pretty hot women, Sweden has stunning women. That's the only similarity really. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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I highly doubt the revenue from alcohol and cigarettes is sufficient to completely cover the entire Swedish medical system.
The sin tax revenue may cover a portion, but it is unlikely to cover all. |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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| It's about time. Now cigarettes will cost the same here as they did in Canada in the late 80s. Nowadays in Canada, you have to mortgage your home to support a smoking habit - which I'm all for because of the medical system in place. Hopefully this move will mitigate the current president's attempt to destroy Korea's cheap, effective hospitals by privatizing. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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in New York City, a single pack was almost $7 dollars or more
by far highest i've seen |
That sounds cheap. I thought it was $10/pack in NYC. That's around the price for cigs here in DC now. Of course you can just go over to Virigina and get cigs for half that price. |
I bought a pack while in New York City last February and it was $12.50.
The funny thing about Virginia, people who live close enough to the border with North Carolina head down to buy their smokes on the cheap. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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| metalhead wrote: |
| young_clinton wrote: |
| In Sweden and other countries with huge social services cigarettes and alcohol pay the bills. It's called a sin tax. Supposedly it works really well. |
Yeah but in Sweden you get money from the government for studying, even for going to high school, so it's easy to afford the booze and cigs. The average 2.1 hakwon salary is what a bus driver earns, and the bus driver works a lot less hours as everything is 'lagom' in Sweden. You really can't compare Sweden to a place like Korea, it's night and day except for the hot girls part; Korea has pretty hot women, Sweden has stunning women. That's the only similarity really. |
Sweden also has an economy that per capita is pretty competitive. It keeps up with the United States. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Stain
Joined: 08 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 8:31 am Post subject: |
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| I think it's a good idea, after all. Now stress in this country will have to be dealt with through pharmaceuticals. |
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Stain
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| Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 8:31 am Post subject: |
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| I think it's a good idea, after all. Now stress in this country will have to be dealt with through pharmaceuticals. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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Excessive cigarette taxes lead to selling smuggled cigarettes lead to black man getting choked to death by the police.
Have fun funding Hezbollah and supporting the police state. |
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hellofaniceguy
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: On your computer screen!
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| Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 10:18 am Post subject: |
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Go ahead...flame me..
but cigarette smokers....stink. Their clothes, breath, hair, etc..
ever kiss a smoker? Nasty.
Toss up between kimchee breath or cigarette smell....
Go ahead...flame...me... |
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Plain Meaning
Joined: 18 Oct 2014
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| Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 11:23 am Post subject: |
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| hellofaniceguy wrote: |
Go ahead...flame me..
but cigarette smokers....stink. Their clothes, breath, hair, etc..
ever kiss a smoker? Nasty.
Toss up between kimchee breath or cigarette smell....
Go ahead...flame...me... |
Eric Garner is dead, in part because of the state's need to squeeze revenue, and in part because the full brunt of the law should be inflicted upon society's undesirables.
http://reason.com/archives/2014/12/03/how-new-york-citys-steep-cigarette-taxes
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Thanks to New York’s laughably high cigarette taxes ($4.35 state plus another $1.60 in the city) and higher prices generally, a pack of smokes in New York City costs $14 or more. That creates a powerful incentive to smuggle smokes in from states such as Virginia, where you can buy a pack for a third of that price. Fill a Ford Econoline van with a few hundred cartons and you can make a nice five-figure profit in a weekend. Some people do.
The robust cigarette smuggling irritates officials in New York, because they miss out on a lot of tax revenue. The trade irritates officials in Virginia for the same reason, because smugglers buy wholesale to avoid the retail sales tax.
There’s an easy fix for all of this: Cut New York’s cigarette taxes. |
http://reason.com/archives/2014/12/05/eric-garners-death-shows-how-stupid-laws
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Though [New York's onerous cigarette taxes] certainly [are]n't close to being the most important lesson of this inexplicable case, it's not something that should be dismissed so flippantly.
Garner wasn't targeted for death because he was avoiding taxes, but nonetheless, prohibitive cigarette taxes unnecessarily generate situations that make events such as this possible. We frame violence in this way all the time. We often talk about unintended consequences. When we discuss how women who immigrated to this country illegally can be the helpless victims of domestic violence, we also blame unfair laws for creating the situation. When we talk about the war on drugs and how it creates millions of nonviolent criminals and needless abuse by the Drug Enforcement Administration and others, liberals have little problem blaming the underlying policy that makes all of that possible. With good reason.
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Last month, a man was arrested on Staten Island with 500,000 untaxed cigarettes in his van. (Don't worry; New York state resells most of the cigarettes for revenue.) The more profitable circumventing taxes becomes the more dangerous this mini-prohibition will be. Garner was selling singles, incidentally. Does anyone believe that isn't a waste of time for police and prosecutors? |
Perhaps it is necessary for the Republic of Korea to impose a reasonable rate of cigarette taxes on smokers. After all, smoking may impose public health costs. But, the RoK should look to New York's black market and be careful to keep the tax rates relatively modest. |
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