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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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[quote="Steelrails"][quote="Mr. BlackCat"]
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If that were true, then how do you explain the complainers crowd on Dave's? Guess that means they're all rude and the apologists are the polite ones.
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There's a difference between complaining about nothing to everyone you meet in real life and commenting on some threads about things you don't like. I don't expect you to see the difference, I expect you to try to score some cheap points by intentionally misrepresenting what I wrote. Thus, I don't feel the need to respond to anything else you wrote because in the end it's irrelevant.
I will say that many of you seem to have drank the Korean kool-aid pretty readily. Yeah yeah, Korean kids are so overworked. I'm sure they tell you that. Heck, I'm sure they are up late and up early, too. And I'm sure they believe they are studying in that time. It's unfortunate that so many critical thinking university graduates here actually believe them, though. Or at least take very rare exceptions and apply it to all Korean kids everywhere.
Hey, I believed my first co-teacher when she told me she was so busy all the time, running around, always in the midst of a nervous breakdown, books and papers all over the place. Then I had a look at her desk and found the papers meant nothing, the books were outdated, the emergencies minor inconveniences.
My current co-teacher has 3-5 classes a day. I have 6-8 and I make all the materials and lead the lessons. Yet, if you listened to her you'd think she taught every child in the country and worked 9 days a week. If you really didn't know the score and came to our classes you'd believe she was way more overworked than I am (I am not overworked, fyi). She sighs, sleeps, complains, whines, verges on tears all the time. She comes late to class because she's so busy, leaves in the middle to finish work, doesn't show up at all because there's an emergency. Then she'll interrupt my many more classes to complain to me about how busy she is and how I should help her more (I honestly don't know how. Should I rub her feet while she sleeps all afternoon?).
Koreans do a great job at selling their busyness (see my above point of always complaining). If you want to buy into it, that's up to you. There are definitely kids out there that study all day but if your student tells you they go from 6am to 1am non-stop and you believe them, I should fill you in on an amazing opportunity to own a time share in Northern Florida! |
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Cave Dweller
Joined: 17 Aug 2014
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Its similar to the office workers that desk jockey for 14-16 hours a day and get 4-6 hours of work done. Most mornings are completely unproductive due to workers nights with booze and whores. |
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nicwr2002
Joined: 17 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 1:08 am Post subject: |
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[quote="Mr. BlackCat"][quote="Steelrails"]
| Mr. BlackCat wrote: |
| Smithington wrote: |
If that were true, then how do you explain the complainers crowd on Dave's? Guess that means they're all rude and the apologists are the polite ones.
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There's a difference between complaining about nothing to everyone you meet in real life and commenting on some threads about things you don't like. I don't expect you to see the difference, I expect you to try to score some cheap points by intentionally misrepresenting what I wrote. Thus, I don't feel the need to respond to anything else you wrote because in the end it's irrelevant.
I will say that many of you seem to have drank the Korean kool-aid pretty readily. Yeah yeah, Korean kids are so overworked. I'm sure they tell you that. Heck, I'm sure they are up late and up early, too. And I'm sure they believe they are studying in that time. It's unfortunate that so many critical thinking university graduates here actually believe them, though. Or at least take very rare exceptions and apply it to all Korean kids everywhere.
Hey, I believed my first co-teacher when she told me she was so busy all the time, running around, always in the midst of a nervous breakdown, books and papers all over the place. Then I had a look at her desk and found the papers meant nothing, the books were outdated, the emergencies minor inconveniences.
My current co-teacher has 3-5 classes a day. I have 6-8 and I make all the materials and lead the lessons. Yet, if you listened to her you'd think she taught every child in the country and worked 9 days a week. If you really didn't know the score and came to our classes you'd believe she was way more overworked than I am (I am not overworked, fyi). She sighs, sleeps, complains, whines, verges on tears all the time. She comes late to class because she's so busy, leaves in the middle to finish work, doesn't show up at all because there's an emergency. Then she'll interrupt my many more classes to complain to me about how busy she is and how I should help her more (I honestly don't know how. Should I rub her feet while she sleeps all afternoon?).
Koreans do a great job at selling their busyness (see my above point of always complaining). If you want to buy into it, that's up to you. There are definitely kids out there that study all day but if your student tells you they go from 6am to 1am non-stop and you believe them, I should fill you in on an amazing opportunity to own a time share in Northern Florida! |
Aren't you doing the same thing by taking a few people who say they study, but don't really, and applying that to everyone? Most of my high school students are too busy studying to do anything else. I can definitely tell the difference between a student who is putting all their effort into studying and one who isn't. |
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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| nicwr2002 wrote: |
Aren't you doing the same thing by taking a few people who say they study, but don't really, and applying that to everyone? Most of my high school students are too busy studying to do anything else. I can definitely tell the difference between a student who is putting all their effort into studying and one who isn't. |
No, because not only is it based on over a decade of observation of students at every level, it's also based on efficiency stats that have been posted here and elsewhere many times. In addition, there have been several studies proving that there's a limit to how much you retain from hours of studying. Yeah, they're in their rooms studying for 12 hours, but the same amount could probably be done in 6 hours with better practices. But then they'd still not be allowed to have fun, so I can see why they don't bother being more efficient (and this is a society wide issue). But at the same time I'm not going to believe that those 12 hours are spend studying the way I understand studying to mean. |
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