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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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Back to the topic. Very scary incident and I can't help but think the gunman got ideas from similar acts abroad.
That said, Korea is a VERY safe place to live. |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2015 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Yaya wrote: |
Back to the topic. Very scary incident and I can't help but think the gunman got ideas from similar acts abroad.
That said, Korea is a VERY safe place to live. |
Define 'VERY safe'.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=235310 |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 1:11 am Post subject: |
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| Yaya wrote: |
Back to the topic. Very scary incident and I can't help but think the gunman got ideas from similar acts abroad.
That said, Korea is a VERY safe place to live. |
Well in terms of violent crime against strangers, yes.
But even ol SR here has to acknowledge traffic safety is pretty bad. And other kinds of safety, while not the death traps some make them up to be, aren't fully up to snuff either. |
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jazzmaster
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 5:58 am Post subject: |
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The Cosmic Hum wrote:
Disassociation is key to meat eating...yes?
One reason why we call cows-beef / pigs-pork.
Doesn't work for all animals though like chicken, lamb, or turkey. And for pigs there's pork, ham, bacon. A magical animal.
Sort of funny in Korea (and wherever else) restaurant and food names often just include the animal name. And the smiling cartoon pig on the window with a knife and fork. Hmm, I taste good, come eat me and my whole family.
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Actually the names of animals come from Anglo Saxon, cow, pig etc... While the meat names come from Norman French and therefore originally Latin. One theory is the Anglo Saxons had to look after the animals while the Normans ate them, but it's not definitive. |
Yeah, I've heard/read the theory on that, too.
Perhaps, then, I should have said...'still use'
We use language in creative ways, and perhaps one of the reasons we still use beef and pork is to disassociate it from the act. |
Just admit you were schooled by people who knew better than you.
p.s. I had lamb steak for dinner and I loved it. |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 8:52 am Post subject: |
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p.s. I had lamb steak for dinner and I loved it. |
Now, when you say you loved it, do you mean you loved the steak or perhaps were you acquainted with this baby sheep at some point in time as well?
I've heard some people really love their sheep.
You're not from Australia by chance are you?
P.S. I had Filet Mignon for dinner, and I loved it, too. Just the food...not the animal.
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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What if you enjoy eating meat? Does that mean I enjoy killing animals? |
Probably not. But, it does mean you enjoy having animals killed for you. |
Not too sure about that one.
Many people feel ill at ease with any vivid thought of being personally responsible for having animals killed for them.
Disassociation is key to meat eating...yes?
One reason why we call cows-beef / pigs-pork. |
Of course, by contrast you have the Koreans, who say 소고기 ("cow meat"), 돼지고기 ("pig meat"), and so forth. Whether disassociation is key to westerners eating meat, I don't know, but the Koreans seem to be fine with straight talk on the matter.
-edit: Had I actually read his full post, I would have noticed that Cosmic Hum made the same point I did here at the end of it.
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Cave Dweller
Joined: 17 Aug 2014
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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Very true. Korea has a high number of traffic and industrial accidents. Not to mention things like sinkholes and people dying at concerts.
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| Yaya wrote: |
Back to the topic. Very scary incident and I can't help but think the gunman got ideas from similar acts abroad.
That said, Korea is a VERY safe place to live. |
Well in terms of violent crime against strangers, yes.
But even ol SR here has to acknowledge traffic safety is pretty bad. And other kinds of safety, while not the death traps some make them up to be, aren't fully up to snuff either. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:37 am Post subject: |
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The Cosmic Hum wrote:
Disassociation is key to meat eating...yes?
One reason why we call cows-beef / pigs-pork.
Doesn't work for all animals though like chicken, lamb, or turkey. And for pigs there's pork, ham, bacon. A magical animal.
Sort of funny in Korea (and wherever else) restaurant and food names often just include the animal name. And the smiling cartoon pig on the window with a knife and fork. Hmm, I taste good, come eat me and my whole family.
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Actually the names of animals come from Anglo Saxon, cow, pig etc... While the meat names come from Norman French and therefore originally Latin. One theory is the Anglo Saxons had to look after the animals while the Normans ate them, but it's not definitive. |
Yeah, I've heard/read the theory on that, too.
Perhaps, then, I should have said...'still use'
We use language in creative ways, and perhaps one of the reasons we still use beef and pork is to disassociate it from the act. |
I'd say both are right. Few know the etymologies and most, if asked, would proffer the disassociation reasoning. If that difference exists in their minds, it's hard to argue against it. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 3:40 am Post subject: |
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| Yaya wrote: |
Back to the topic. Very scary incident and I can't help but think the gunman got ideas from similar acts abroad.
That said, Korea is a VERY safe place to live. |
Better start censoring international news them. One thing Koreans can do and do well is copy.  |
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earthquakez
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 3:50 am Post subject: |
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| Yaya wrote: |
Back to the topic. Very scary incident and I can't help but think the gunman got ideas from similar acts abroad.
That said, Korea is a VERY safe place to live. |
Why? Violence in Korean society is a lot more entrenched than in other first world countries. I'm not talking about the availability of guns and how easily they can be accessed by your average person in some US states let alone their constant use by criminals.
I'm talking about the culture of violence which can be seen in daily life in Korea. The acceptance of slapping and punching people when you're angry, for example, that still goes on in schools despite new laws against corporal punishment - not that the behaviour of some Korean teachers when they used to punch and kick students can be put under the discipline/punishment for students category.
The notion that getting physical with people who upset you is fine is still fairly common in some of the provincial areas. Last year a NET I know who is still working in Mokpo in Jeolla Province was slapped on the arms for wearing a singlet top with her jeans in a summer street market by an older man. She tried to get the old shizzhead done for assault but the issue was dragged out to the point where she gave up because her school told her he would not get any penalty.
During my time in Korea not long ago I often saw Koreans slapping,pushing and kicking each other when angry or somebody didn't do what an older person wanted. Violence in the military against the lads who do military service for a couple of years is still fairly common as it's done by the older soldiers, older here often being a few years older. While this is discouraged by new regulations it still is considered no big deal because it is all part of the permissible violence of the hierarchy of age.
Violence against animals is common in Korea and it won't change until some real anti animal cruelty laws are enacted with inspections and penalties by local authorities as well as police involvement seriously rather than dismissing the cruelty.
As for the specific gun violence or with other weapons - do a read of what different political factions of Koreans did to each other both before, during and after the Korean War. This was not limited to different political factional members - massacres were committed against villages and in fact American and other foreign forces serving in the Korean War saved Koreans at times from such massacres at the hands of fellow Koreans.
Korea is not an example of a country that anybody familiar with it would be surprised when violence happens including gun violence. |
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