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jcd
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2100000/132 teaching hours a month is
15000 korean won an hour. That is 12 dollars an hour.
If you include the housing, which they probably only pay 300 for but ill say 400.
Then you are making 18000 korean won per class less in dollars, and with severance and pension you make a little over 20k an hour. |
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jcd
Joined: 13 Mar 2012
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| Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:13 am Post subject: |
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2100000/132 teaching hours a month is
15000 korean won an hour. That is 12 dollars an hour.
If you include the housing, which they probably only pay 300 for but ill say 400.
Then you are making 18000 korean won per class less in dollars, and with severance and pension you make a little over 20k an hour. |
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Coltronator
Joined: 04 Dec 2013
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| Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:44 am Post subject: |
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| JCD's math looks solid, one of the worst jobs I have seen |
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tophatcat
Joined: 09 Aug 2006
Location: under the hat
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| Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 4:42 am Post subject: |
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34 hours teaching
+7 hours for early arrival, preparation, time between classes, and monthly meetings  |
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jcd
Joined: 13 Mar 2012
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| Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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It seems like a few years ago, most of the job posts, by recruiters, included the number of hours teaching.
Now a lot of them don't.
Even a director was hesitant to talk to me about the number of hours I would be teaching.
If they want well planned energetic classes, then asking someone to teach 6 or 7 a day is too much.
The parents should ask how many classes the kids teachers teach a day to figure out the quality of the school. If I am a parent I don't want my kid in the 7th class of a burnt out teacher. |
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DaeguNL
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| Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| jcd wrote: |
It seems like a few years ago, most of the job posts, by recruiters, included the number of hours teaching.
Now a lot of them don't.
Even a director was hesitant to talk to me about the number of hours I would be teaching.
If they want well planned energetic classes, then asking someone to teach 6 or 7 a day is too much.
The parents should ask how many classes the kids teachers teach a day to figure out the quality of the school. If I am a parent I don't want my kid in the 7th class of a burnt out teacher. |
5x50 or 6x40 are pretty good for an E-2.
Or you could go with Poly and teach 9-10 classes a day. They do pay an extra 300 a month over the standard hagwon, but 2-3 extra hours a day is rough |
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Coltronator
Joined: 04 Dec 2013
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| I 100% agree, my class quality isn't affected by my total office hours (possibly untrue as up to 2 extra office hours probably improves my class quality due to time I find perfect for prepping) only purely by teaching hours through out the day. |
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JohnML
Joined: 05 Jul 2015
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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Your salary is about normal but you work slightly too many teaching hours, maybe if it were -5 or so. You are working quite a lot of overtime.
| tophatcat wrote: |
34 hours teaching
+7 hours for early arrival, preparation, time between classes, and monthly meetings |
I'd say that +7 is being extremely generous. Especially since he's not got experience, he's going to be easily hitting 45-50 hours. It's way too much. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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| SeoulNate wrote: |
| 34 teaching hours is a ton of classroom time, but as Trueblue said, someone will take that job, there are too many desperate people out there. |
Sure? The US economy is finally picking up steam with many state unemployment rates falling under 5%. Also, have you seen the exchange rates lately? Falling and falling fast. Ain't going to get better any time soon. It will only get worse. I don't think you're going to see many folks sticking around. Believe me, now is the time to start getting picky or just wait a few months and try again. I'm sure by 2016, the market here's going to flip. Not to the extent there will be new demand for English, but due to problems on the supply end.
I mean if a 2.1 million salary is going to end up getting you around1600 bucks in the next few months (or even less), I think jobs back home and living with the folks for a while are going to look a whole lot better in terms of debt repayment and saving potential. There'll already be a few outliers wanting to come over no matter what, but a good chunck will think of other options as more become available. |
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SeoulNate
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
Location: Hyehwa
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| SeoulNate wrote: |
| 34 teaching hours is a ton of classroom time, but as Trueblue said, someone will take that job, there are too many desperate people out there. |
Sure? The US economy is finally picking up steam with many state unemployment rates falling under 5%. Also, have you seen the exchange rates lately? Falling and falling fast. Ain't going to get better any time soon. It will only get worse. I don't think you're going to see many folks sticking around. Believe me, now is the time to start getting picky or just wait a few months and try again. I'm sure by 2016, the market here's going to flip. Not to the extent there will be new demand for English, but due to problems on the supply end.
I mean if a 2.1 million salary is going to end up getting you around1600 bucks in the next few months (or even less), I think jobs back home and living with the folks for a while are going to look a whole lot better in terms of debt repayment and saving potential. There'll already be a few outliers wanting to come over no matter what, but a good chunck will think of other options as more become available. |
All true, job still got filled though I would be willing to wager. People take all kinds of shitty jobs here far too often. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| I'm sure by 2016, the market here's going to flip. |
Nope. It will continue to get slightly worse, just like the year before. Public schools, hagwons, and universities will continue to cut jobs (as bilingual Korean teachers who studied overseas take over more of the jobs once done by Western natives). Also, there is the long declining birthrate.
On the supply side, more South Africans, Americans, etc., who have never heard of teaching English overseas will find out about it, which will drive the number of applicants upwards.
Just look at the pittance people in Thailand are accepting. There will never again be less applicants than jobs here. The reason there was in the past is because most people in the world had never heard of it. (This was less the case in Canada because the government told the oversupply of job seekers with teacher certification to head overseas.) |
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Coltronator
Joined: 04 Dec 2013
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| Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 2:51 am Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
Sure? The US economy is finally picking up steam with many state unemployment rates falling under 5%. Also, have you seen the exchange rates lately? Falling and falling fast. Ain't going to get better any time soon. It will only get worse. I don't think you're going to see many folks sticking around. Believe me, now is the time to start getting picky or just wait a few months and try again. I'm sure by 2016, the market here's going to flip. Not to the extent there will be new demand for English, but due to problems on the supply end.
I mean if a 2.1 million salary is going to end up getting you around1600 bucks in the next few months (or even less), I think jobs back home and living with the folks for a while are going to look a whole lot better in terms of debt repayment and saving potential. There'll already be a few outliers wanting to come over no matter what, but a good chunck will think of other options as more become available. |
However again with exchange rates, a Canadian's comparative pay just went up 30% in the last year and you can probably find one just because 2.4 is more like 2.9 right now if they are sending money home each month. |
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JohnML
Joined: 05 Jul 2015
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:53 am Post subject: |
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| I'm sure by 2016, the market here's going to flip. |
Nope. It will continue to get slightly worse, just like the year before. Public schools, hagwons, and universities will continue to cut jobs (as bilingual Korean teachers who studied overseas take over more of the jobs once done by Western natives). Also, there is the long declining birthrate.
On the supply side, more South Africans, Americans, etc., who have never heard of teaching English overseas will find out about it, which will drive the number of applicants upwards.
Just look at the pittance people in Thailand are accepting. There will never again be less applicants than jobs here. The reason there was in the past is because most people in the world had never heard of it. (This was less the case in Canada because the government told the oversupply of job seekers with teacher certification to head overseas.) |
Have to agree with this, there are way too many people with rather pointless degrees coming over and working in TEFL for long periods. The number of applicants has been going crazy in asia in recent years. There are still jobs out there in less desired locations such as the middle east etc... but I don't know how long those will last. I don't see this stopping anytime soon because I know some people with degrees who are paid $600 a month in asia for 30 odd teaching hours. When people are accepting this low there is very little hope that the market is going to pick up.
That being said it could be a good thing if it forces the quality of ESL teachers to rise, to a teaching degree min requirement. Will never happen in the poorer asian countries though. |
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trueblue
Joined: 15 Jun 2014
Location: In between the lines
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| Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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..."pointless degrees"
I have to say, that is a rather snipe comment. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| trueblue wrote: |
..."pointless degrees"
I have to say, that is a rather snipe comment. |
He means non-vocational and to be honest the amount of money you have to borrow to go to university nowadays, I tend to agree with him. |
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