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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Now that another American has chimed in I'll just say the answer everyone is thinking. "Who would I vote for?" Rob Ford. |
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catman
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| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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| While not a major issue I am glad they will finally be legalizing weed. |
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littlelisa
Joined: 12 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Now that another American has chimed in I'll just say the answer everyone is thinking. "Who would I vote for?" Rob Ford. |
Well, the closest to that was the conservatives with Harper. Endorsed by Rob Ford and everything!
(so glad he's gone!) |
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Plain Meaning
Joined: 18 Oct 2014
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| Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 3:43 am Post subject: |
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| While not a major issue I am glad they will finally be legalizing weed. |
Its a major issue for marijuana users incarcerated for it, or even for marijuana users who have to explain it on their criminal record. Its certainly going to impact a lot of people dramatically more than a 2-4% increase in upper level income tax rates; the staple debate in tax policy in North America. I'm NOT trying to come down on you here at all (I mean we essentially agree), but your opening clause reminded me of this bit of nonsense.
It seems Harper tried the Hillary tactic of experience and fear over hope and received a similar failed result (although he lost by a far greater margin).
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In 2013, in the wake of this disaster, Trudeau was selected to lead the Liberal Party (beating out, among others, a constitutional lawyer with whom Pierre, at age 71, had fathered a daughter). The day after his win, the Conservative Party released an attack ad with the tagline “He’s in way over his head.” Between shots of a grave Harper inspecting a construction site and meeting with Barack Obama, the ad spliced slow-motion footage of a goateed Trudeau taking off his shirt at a charity striptease. |
In fact, I see a lot of Obama in Trudeau, except Obama has the distinction of being a self-made man, whereas Justin appears to be a bit of a spoiled whelp. I predict disappointment in Trudeau's coming centrism.
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Trudeau is positioning himself as a sensible, center-left alternative. Whereas Harper’s government has voted with Israel at the United Nations and joined with the Obama administration in Iraq, Trudeau says he sees value in not always following Washington’s lead. At the same time, though, he is careful to distance himself from the New Democratic Party to his left. Unlike the NDP, Trudeau supports Keystone XL, the proposed pipeline that would bring oil from Alberta’s tar sands to the United States. And he backed an antiterrorism bill, introduced by Harper after the October shooting in Ottawa, that would expand the powers of Canada’s spy agency. These middle-of-the-road policies, combined with Trudeau’s personal magnetism, appear to be working [article is from May, 2015, after all] . . . |
But I don't see any doe-eyed Canadians in this thread. It seems most just wanted to get rid of Harper and avoid splitting the vote. Congratulations, you did it. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:03 am Post subject: |
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So what's the chance that Koreans will come to know who he is?
Where are you from? -- Canada.
Oh, Canada! Trudeau!
Like that. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:05 am Post subject: |
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In 2013, in the wake of this disaster, Trudeau was selected to lead the Liberal Party (beating out, among others, a constitutional lawyer with whom Pierre, at age 71, had fathered a daughter). The day after his win, the Conservative Party released an attack ad with the tagline “He’s in way over his head.” Between shots of a grave Harper inspecting a construction site and meeting with Barack Obama, the ad spliced slow-motion footage of a goateed Trudeau taking off his shirt at a charity striptease. |
In fact, I see a lot of Obama in Trudeau, except Obama has the distinction of being a self-made man, whereas Justin appears to be a bit of a spoiled whelp. I predict disappointment in Trudeau's coming centrism.
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He reminds me a lot of Wilhelm II.
https://archive.org/stream/germanybeforewar00beye#page/12/mode/2up |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 7:29 am Post subject: |
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In fact, I see a lot of Obama in Trudeau, except Obama has the distinction of being a self-made man, whereas Justin appears to be a bit of a spoiled whelp. I predict disappointment in Trudeau's coming centrism.
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I agree with this part of your post
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What lies next for Canada is bad news for America and especially conservatives.
Canada under Harper's leadership was a conservative wonderland with balanced budgets, increasingly low taxes and a robust foreign policy aimed at taking on terrorists and bullies the world over. But that is poised to change under the Liberal Party's Trudeau, who promises to run deficits, pull out of the anti-ISIS operation in Iraq and Syria, and re-establish ties with Iran. He also wants to bring 25,000 Syrian refugees to Canada...
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Without Harper at the helm, the lessons of Canada's miracle -- surviving the financial crisis, balancing budgets, slashing red tape and taxes while maintaining a healthy welfare state -- will be lost to history as Trudeau's Liberals in a fit of pique roll back the gains the Great White North has made |
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/20/opinions/kennedy-canada-election-bad-news-for-us-conservatives/index.html
Yep sounds about right to me. And for those cheering Harper's going...I wouldn't count him out just yet. In fact after 4 years of Trudeau he may very well come back and replace him (as Harper is planning on remaining in politics as a backbencher in his part). |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:16 am Post subject: |
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My prediction: Harper stays out of the spotlight for a year or two, then becomes the leader of the Alliance, which swallows up the PC Party. It is renamed the Conservative Party, and he wins the next election in a landslide.
(as premier of Alberta) |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| catman wrote: |
| While not a major issue I am glad they will finally be legalizing weed. |
Here's my prediction on that...
Justin will promise to "study" the issue(which I believe is what he has already said), and then bide his time until 2016, when hopefully(from his perspective) a Republican has been elected in the US. Then he can say "Oh well, we wanted to do it, but the US won't let us"(or vague hints in that direction), an explanation that will seem plausible to Canadians, since the GOP is known to be more hardassed on drugs than the Democrats. (It'll help the narrative if that Republican president decides to get tough and use federal law against states that have legalized weed).
My own view is that, unless directed to do so by the electorate(as in Colorado etc), most politicians don't want to legalize weed, since it entails the headache of having to come up with a whole new regulatory apparatus, when they'd rather be doing other things. Plus, it alienates a section of their voting base(even liberal baby boomers and late-boomers say stuff like "Oh, but the pot these days is so much stronger than it was thirty years ago" and "Well, now that I'm a parent, I feel differently about this.")
My prediction is based partly on recollections about how weed was supposedly on its way to becoming legal back when Jean Chretien was PM. Which, of course, never did happen. |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| catman wrote: |
| While not a major issue I am glad they will finally be legalizing weed. |
Here's my prediction on that...
Justin will promise to "study" the issue(which I believe is what he has already said), and then bide his time until 2016, when hopefully(from his perspective) a Republican has been elected in the US. Then he can say "Oh well, we wanted to do it, but the US won't let us"(or vague hints in that direction), an explanation that will seem plausible to Canadians, since the GOP is known to be more hardassed on drugs than the Democrats. (It'll help the narrative if that Republican president decides to get tough and use federal law against states that have legalized weed).
My own view is that, unless directed to do so by the electorate(as in Colorado etc), most politicians don't want to legalize weed, since it entails the headache of having to come up with a whole new regulatory apparatus, when they'd rather be doing other things. Plus, it alienates a section of their voting base(even liberal baby boomers and late-boomers say stuff like "Oh, but the pot these days is so much stronger than it was thirty years ago" and "Well, now that I'm a parent, I feel differently about this.")
My prediction is based partly on recollections about how weed was supposedly on its way to becoming legal back when Jean Chretien was PM. Which, of course, never did happen. |
Fair point. I do think at the very least it will be decriminalized though. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2015 1:13 pm Post subject: |
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| I think it'll happen. Colorado and that other state have shown that it's a fairly easy way to get extra tax revenue. Plus they actively ran on it in their platform this time. |
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wonkavite62
Joined: 17 Dec 2007
Location: Jeollanamdo, South Korea.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 3:36 pm Post subject: HI |
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Well, I was actually  shocked, and  amazed that Trudeau got in, especially with some of the things on his manifesto. I am from the UK. In English politics, until this year, no politician would have contemplated running for election on the promise of a deficit. The Conservatives have an ideological commitment to cutting the deficit, even when it penalises the working poor, and even when the moves are unpopular among the rank and file of Conservative M.P.'s.
If you think Mr. Trudeau represents nepotism, consider our prime minister who is very close to something like Lord Grantham from Downton Abbey! Our prime minister and finance minister, and others in the govt. blue blooded, related to royalty and peers of the realm.
None of them would contemplate taxing the rich and cutting taxes for the middle class.
They won't help the younger generation. There are student loans, problems getting a real job when you graduate, terribly overpriced housing and so on. Trudeau seems about to do something for Canada. I hope he provides a better government for your country than stephen harper did. Right now I am excited about him. In 4 years I may not be. But now I at least know a Canadian prime minister's name! |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:49 am Post subject: |
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| I think it'll happen. Colorado and that other state have shown that it's a fairly easy way to get extra tax revenue. Plus they actively ran on it in their platform this time. |
I'm gonna have to respectfully disagree with you. I think this op-ed from the National Post calls it to a tee. |
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geldedgoat
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trueblue
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October 29, 2015
Whither Canada?
By Daren Jonescu
Picture a first-class leftist self-promoter: riding an incoherent wave of anti-establishment fever to the highest seat in the land through sheer chutzpah and “newness”; easily exposed as a Marxist-influenced, neo-Maoist rabble-rouser, but somehow able to persuade the general populace that he is a pragmatic uniter; sweeping the media and the academics off their feet with his wordy arrogance, his smug, savior-like pronouncements, and the charismatic attraction of the seeming “man of destiny.”
I know what you’re picturing. Now imagine this man actually being almost as smart as his enthralled supporters think he is. No puppet of the ruling elite, or spiritually disfigured product of a series of exploitive “mentors,” he actually knows who and what he is, frames his own agenda, and thrusts himself upon his nation and the world with the flair and insouciance of a debonair hero. He was a progressive authoritarian’s dream come true, a conservative republican’s worst nightmare, and probably the single most divisive figure in his country’s history.
This was Pierre Elliot Trudeau, Canada’s third-longest serving prime minister (almost 16 years in total). After an academic career honing Marxist ideas, and many years as a socialist intellectual-at-large, during which he wrote “honest observer” whitewashes of international communism that would have made John Dewey proud, he finally made a pragmatic turn toward the “center,” abandoning the CCF party -- the hardline socialist precursor to today’s New Democrats -- to join the more electable Liberal Party. Maneuvering through the staid Liberal ranks by cleverly surfing the late ‘60s youth wave of peace, love, and good vibes, he was elected Prime Flower Child in 1968, in a national fit of what came to be called “Trudeaumania.”
During his first years in office, his girlfriend was Barbara Streisand. At the end of his final term, it was Margot Kidder. In between it was several other lefty women, some of them famous, in addition to the emotionally unstable wife who bore his sons, and reportedly also a couple of black eyes during the years of their marital breakdown. He likewise wielded his political power with little regard for moderation, tradition, norms, or principled commitment. Indeed, his great dream, and proudest accomplishment, was a document rechristening Canada -- a member of the British Commonwealth -- as, in effect, Trudeauland. The Constitution Act of 1982, including the Charter of Rights and Freedoms that Ruth Bader Ginsburg and other American leftists love to cite as exemplary of the modern social democrat philosophy they wish could replace the antiquated U.S. Constitution, was primarily Trudeau’s achievement.
He admired Mao’s China and Castro’s Cuba, fostered anti-Americanism in Canada like no previous prime minister, but in the end was as devoted to his legacy and his messiah fantasies as to his socialism. He established a model of iconoclastic lone avenger leadership that has infected Canada’s politics ever since, with even so-called conservative Stephen Harper succumbing to this “I make the rules around here” ethic throughout his years as prime minister. The most accurate name for his style of governance was “Trudeaucracy” -- analogous to “Maoism” -- a term coined in 1972 by journalist Lubor Zink, an escapee of communist Czechoslovakia who saw something familiar in his adopted home’s new leader.
During Trudeau’s nationally televised funeral in the fall of 2000, the older but more boyishly handsome of his sons, Justin, took full advantage of his first opportunity in the limelight to flaunt his devotion to his father’s spirit for all to admire. His flamboyant, self-important eulogy ended with a prolonged pose -- er, I mean pause -- with head pressed in grief against Dad’s casket, a moment which became the single most representative image of the funeral.
Justin Trudeau at Pere Trudeau’s funeral, as Fidel Castro looks on
Watching this reality TV show at the time, I distinctly remember that my wife -- the best judge of character I know -- was repulsed by a 28-year old son’s willingness to superimpose his own image upon his father’s last day in the national spotlight. And I also remember thinking, “This guy is going to be Prime Minister someday, and his campaign began today.”
Justin Trudeau’s quick political rise, culminating in his Liberal Party’s election with a majority government on October 19, was a series of “Oh, yes!” moments for those who pine for the good old days of Trudeaucracy: an empowered Quebec separatist movement; “language rights” forced down everyone’s throat; the country balkanized along East-West and English-French lines as never before; leftist social engineering; Keynesian economics; a vanguard position in the global entrenchment of relativist “multiculturalism”; the nationalization of the energy industry; the decimation of a once proud military; support for communist expansionism around the world; and a leader who says things like, “Viva el Primer Ministro Comandante Fidel Castro!” and praises Mao Zedong for eradicating hunger in China (presumably by letting all the starving people die off).
For those not so sanguine about the memory of Trudeaucracy, Justin’s ascent, though seemingly as pre-ordained and unstoppable as male pattern baldness, was a series of “Oh, no!” moments, as a once plucky little population spread sparsely over a vast, noble land looked at itself in the mirror each day and thought, “Is this really all we have left?”
Yes, sadly, it is. Justin Trudeau is Prime Minister-Designate of Canada. Within days of the election, he had signalled the change by promising a major Canadian role in next month’s UN climate fascism summit in Paris. Canada has officially had its Obama Moment. After barely clinging to her sanity with years of the ineptly almost-conservative Harper government, she has finally revived the era of Trudeaucracy. This round, however, promises to be Trudeaucracy revisited as farce, the New Left lobotomized -- Obama North.
The distinctions between Trudeau the father and Trudeau the son -- charismatic intellectualism vs. the cult of celebrity, politics as a clash of ideologies vs. politics as pop showmanship, pragmatic socialist gradualism vs. knee-jerk sloganeering, communist fellow-traveling vs. Islamo-pandering -- are a microcosm of late modernity’s final stage of degeneration into nothingness. Fighting against the shapeshifting, duplicitous creature that was twentieth century progressivism was a difficult battle, unsuccessfully waged. But at least its opponents, the last-gasp defenders of political freedom, knew there was a monster under all those masks, and understood its danger and its foreignness. Today, civilization having sunk, its great battle lost (to update Yeats), we fight only the masks, and make our desperate lunges against a shadow. Progressivism, fulfilling its natural development, has abandoned us to leaders and leading intellectuals who barely even pretend to have ideas or ideals. We are ruled by slogans and ciphers, oppressed by an anti-human will-o’-the-wisp that has insinuated itself into our bloodstreams and neurons. In other words, we effectively enslave ourselves -- too weary to fight, too sated with gratifications to think, too timidly dependent even to object very strongly -- which has been the great project and purpose of real progressivism since its first seeds germinated in Germany two centuries ago.
Progressivism’s practical actors and beneficiaries remain among us, of course: the thugs and greedy backroom manipulators of the so-called left and right factions of the ruling establishment. But the intellectual superstructure of the movement, the men who made the theoretical case for collectivist authoritarianism in the name of the historical advancement of mankind -- totalitarianism’s brilliant liars and self-deluders -- are mostly a thing of the past. Their arguments, no longer needed, have withered away, as the State was supposed to have done in Marx’s theory. Today, rather than being prodded and cajoled toward the abyss with labyrinthine philosophical polemics and utopian rhetoric, we hurtle into disaster on greased wheels of sheer stupidity. In Canada’s instantiation of this final descent, the neo-Rousseauan idealism and distorted quest for “justice” that engendered the old Trudeaumania have been superseded by a simple, empty-headed mania, an enthusiastic longing for nothing. In other words, nihilism at last.
Justin Trudeau praying at a Montreal Wahhabist mosque
The very first episode of the old Monty Python’s Flying Circus TV series was, for no particular reason, assigned the nonsense title “Whither Canada?” Good question. We now have the answer.
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/10/whither_canada.html#ixzz3q0oQCVVZ
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