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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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Why the hate for CT? He was taking advantage of English-speaking services from people and organizations who had advertised these services.
The only exception was Immigration. And is it really so much to ask that someone in Immigration be able to speak English? After all, the only other country that does speak Korean doesn't exactly have many immigrants in this country. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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To the OP:
You might try contacting the tourist board for a list of professional translators and hire one for a day or two till you get the problem straightened out. |
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Ryst Helmut
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
Location: In search of the elusive signature...
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| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I don't think the OP should have a gripe that there are relatively few places to go to that understand and communicate in a language other than Korean. However, there should be, at least, a professional/governmental organisation that must (at all times) have multi-lingual staff working. I'd wager that there are Chinese and Japanese speakers (well, why not, those languages far out-weigh English...or so I assume).
I am amazed, though, that Immigration was not helpful for him. The officers at our branch never spoke English to me, but I did hear several officers point those non-Korean-speaking visitors to an officer that spoke English....
My wife has been doing a lot of errands and shopping by herself lately, and has had the ever-so-joyous interaction with non-English-speaking staff here in Florida.
Well, went to one of these shops today and let her do all the talking. Sure enough, they speak (or choose not to) not a lick of English. I had a nice conversation with them, of course, not English....bloody buffoons, they actually expect her to speak their language.
 
Forgive me, I thought English was America's language.
!Shoosh
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prosodic
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
Location: ����
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| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Son Deureo! wrote: |
| Why the hate for CT? He was taking advantage of English-speaking services from people and organizations who had advertised these services. |
I don't think anybody here feels any hate for CT. I know that I don't. Still, I feel like there is something amiss when he mentions the efl-law guy in a rant about not being able to get help in English. I haven't met the efl-law guy in person, but I have exchanged a few emails with him. I never once thought that Paul lacked in English language skills. It makes me feel like there's some reason that will explain why CT isn't getting satisfaction. It makes me wonder if maybe the situation doesn't merit help. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2004 2:52 am Post subject: |
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| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| canukteacher wrote: |
| Thanks for more intolerance. It is becoming clearer by the moment why I hate this board. |
You're the one who's being intolerant. You have to face the fact that the Korean government does not owe services in English. Feel lucky to get the little help you get. |
No he isn't. I am not sure if his post constitutes whining but I know for damned sure it doesn't constitute intolerance. Your attitude certainly reeks of it though. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2004 2:58 am Post subject: |
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| prosodic wrote: |
| I never once thought that Paul lacked in English language skills. It makes me feel like there's some reason that will explain why CT isn't getting satisfaction. It makes me wonder if maybe the situation doesn't merit help. |
Now you are putting words into the OP's mouth. He never questioned Paul's English ability. Indeed, he didn't even mention his name. Here is what the OP said about EFL Law,
Lasly, I have contacted EFL Law. They have been very helpful, but still not answering my question.
What English did you learn? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2004 3:22 am Post subject: |
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I experienced the same thing trying to deal with the labor board. I speak enough Korean (very basic) to ask for an english speaker and give my personal information.
The "englishee" speaker to whom I was refered couldn't understand my problem.
"You want to cancel your visa?" they would say.
"No, my employer has cancelled it and is refusing to give me a letter of release and he won't pay me!"
"You want to cancel your visa?"
It went on and on until I gave up and had to basically bribe the boss (with another 30 days basically free labor) to grant the letter of release and pay me the months back wages he owed me.
That wasn't the only time it happened. After contacting immigration, the labor board, the justice department, and basically anyone who could remotely influence my boss I discovered that Korea basically cares nothing for foreigners and makes no serious effort to help those living here.
And yes, they do have a responsibility to staff English speakers. What is this, Angola? EVERY developed nation will have a number of paid translators/interpreters to assist in these types of disputes. And I can speak for America that dishonest and cheating employers would be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Unlike this *beep* hole.
Real Reality has many articles on this. Korea is simply not equipped, either through their inability to act or their indifference, to deal with non-Korean speaking foreigners.
*beep* 'em. |
I wonder where Mr. Mankind is? Usually he'd be all over a post like this like ticks on a hound dog.
The Labour board actually is quite helpful. If you however walk in there with an attitude like you demonstrated above, it is no wonder that you got the kind of help you described. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2004 3:36 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| The Evil Clown wrote: |
I experienced the same thing trying to deal with the labor board. I speak enough Korean (very basic) to ask for an english speaker and give my personal information.
The "englishee" speaker to whom I was refered couldn't understand my problem.
"You want to cancel your visa?" they would say.
"No, my employer has cancelled it and is refusing to give me a letter of release and he won't pay me!"
"You want to cancel your visa?"
It went on and on until I gave up and had to basically bribe the boss (with another 30 days basically free labor) to grant the letter of release and pay me the months back wages he owed me.
That wasn't the only time it happened. After contacting immigration, the labor board, the justice department, and basically anyone who could remotely influence my boss I discovered that Korea basically cares nothing for foreigners and makes no serious effort to help those living here.
And yes, they do have a responsibility to staff English speakers. What is this, Angola? EVERY developed nation will have a number of paid translators/interpreters to assist in these types of disputes. And I can speak for America that dishonest and cheating employers would be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Unlike this *beep* hole.
Real Reality has many articles on this. Korea is simply not equipped, either through their inability to act or their indifference, to deal with non-Korean speaking foreigners.
*beep* 'em. |
I wonder where Mr. Mankind is? Usually he'd be all over a post like this like ticks on a hound dog.
The Labour board actually is quite helpful. If you however walk in there with an attitude like you demonstrated above, it is no wonder that you got the kind of help you described. |
According to this poster he wasn't transfered to a decent English speaking member of staff. He then decides to regale our audience with his negative experiences. What attitude are you talking about? |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2004 4:02 am Post subject: |
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| Also, Mankind's wife works in the Seoul branch of the Labor Board. Perhaps Mr. Clown lived outside of Seoul when that happened to him. Some of us do, after all. |
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prosodic
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
Location: ����
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| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2004 10:49 am Post subject: |
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
| prosodic wrote: |
| I never once thought that Paul lacked in English language skills. It makes me feel like there's some reason that will explain why CT isn't getting satisfaction. It makes me wonder if maybe the situation doesn't merit help. |
Now you are putting words into the OP's mouth. He never questioned Paul's English ability. Indeed, he didn't even mention his name. Here is what the OP said about EFL Law,
Lasly, I have contacted EFL Law. They have been very helpful, but still not answering my question.
What English did you learn? |
Thanks for the personal attack Gwangjuboy. I've always believed personal attacks to be proof that somebody really has nothing intelligent to say.
First of all, it doesn't matter if the OP mentioned Paul by name. Any responses from efl-law come from Paul. Second, there is certainly an implication that the OP thinks that EFL-Law did not understand the request in the statement still not answering my question. Combine that with the title of the post, and I don't at all think I'm putting words in the OP's mouth.
I think this thread is really about communication. I also think it's important to keep in mind that communication is a two-way street. |
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2004 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| The Evil Clown wrote: |
I experienced the same thing trying to deal with the labor board. I speak enough Korean (very basic) to ask for an english speaker and give my personal information.
The "englishee" speaker to whom I was refered couldn't understand my problem.
"You want to cancel your visa?" they would say.
"No, my employer has cancelled it and is refusing to give me a letter of release and he won't pay me!"
"You want to cancel your visa?"
It went on and on until I gave up and had to basically bribe the boss (with another 30 days basically free labor) to grant the letter of release and pay me the months back wages he owed me.
That wasn't the only time it happened. After contacting immigration, the labor board, the justice department, and basically anyone who could remotely influence my boss I discovered that Korea basically cares nothing for foreigners and makes no serious effort to help those living here.
And yes, they do have a responsibility to staff English speakers. What is this, Angola? EVERY developed nation will have a number of paid translators/interpreters to assist in these types of disputes. And I can speak for America that dishonest and cheating employers would be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Unlike this *beep* hole.
Real Reality has many articles on this. Korea is simply not equipped, either through their inability to act or their indifference, to deal with non-Korean speaking foreigners.
*beep* 'em. |
If you however walk in there with an attitude like you demonstrated above, it is no wonder that you got the kind of help you described. |
What attitude?
What part of his post do you think is untrue? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2004 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| The Evil Clown wrote: |
I discovered that Korea basically cares nothing for foreigners and makes no serious effort to help those living here.
. And I can speak for America that dishonest and cheating employers would be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Unlike this *beep* hole.
. Korea is simply not equipped, either through their inability to act or their indifference, to deal with non-Korean speaking foreigners.
*beep* 'em. |
What attitude?
This attitude
"Beep em" "this *beep* hole" Korea basically cares nothing for foreigners.."
I wouldn't help someone like this either. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2004 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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| diver wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| The Evil Clown wrote: |
I experienced the same thing trying to deal with the labor board. I speak enough Korean (very basic) to ask for an english speaker and give my personal information.
The "englishee" speaker to whom I was refered couldn't understand my problem.
"You want to cancel your visa?" they would say.
"No, my employer has cancelled it and is refusing to give me a letter of release and he won't pay me!"
"You want to cancel your visa?"
It went on and on until I gave up and had to basically bribe the boss (with another 30 days basically free labor) to grant the letter of release and pay me the months back wages he owed me.
That wasn't the only time it happened. After contacting immigration, the labor board, the justice department, and basically anyone who could remotely influence my boss I discovered that Korea basically cares nothing for foreigners and makes no serious effort to help those living here.
And yes, they do have a responsibility to staff English speakers. What is this, Angola? EVERY developed nation will have a number of paid translators/interpreters to assist in these types of disputes. And I can speak for America that dishonest and cheating employers would be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Unlike this *beep* hole.
Real Reality has many articles on this. Korea is simply not equipped, either through their inability to act or their indifference, to deal with non-Korean speaking foreigners.
*beep* 'em. |
If you however walk in there with an attitude like you demonstrated above, it is no wonder that you got the kind of help you described. |
What attitude?
What part of his post do you think is untrue? |
For your first question see my last post in this thread.
As for your second please show me where I said that his post (or any part of it for this matter) was untrue.
Thank you. |
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calypso
Joined: 31 May 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2004 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| canukteacher wrote: |
| Thanks for more intolerance. It is becoming clearer by the moment why I hate this board. |
What you are reading in NOT intolerance. Nobody is being intolerant of you or any of your ideas. That word is WAY overused. Disagreement is not intolerance. Saying you are wrong or whining is NOT intolerance.
| The Evil Clown wrote: |
And yes, they do have a responsibility to staff English speakers. What is this, Angola? EVERY developed nation will have a number of paid translators/interpreters to assist in these types of disputes. And I can speak for America that dishonest and cheating employers would be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Unlike this *beep* hole.
Real Reality has many articles on this. Korea is simply not equipped, either through their inability to act or their indifference, to deal with non-Korean speaking foreigners.
*beep* 'em. |
Why should they? What percentage of non-military people in Korea actually don't speak Korea? Migrant workers have advocates to help them. Most English teachers are only here one year. Why are they obligated to take the effort to provide them services? |
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2004 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| diver wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| The Evil Clown wrote: |
I experienced the same thing trying to deal with the labor board. I speak enough Korean (very basic) to ask for an english speaker and give my personal information.
The "englishee" speaker to whom I was refered couldn't understand my problem.
"You want to cancel your visa?" they would say.
"No, my employer has cancelled it and is refusing to give me a letter of release and he won't pay me!"
"You want to cancel your visa?"
It went on and on until I gave up and had to basically bribe the boss (with another 30 days basically free labor) to grant the letter of release and pay me the months back wages he owed me.
That wasn't the only time it happened. After contacting immigration, the labor board, the justice department, and basically anyone who could remotely influence my boss I discovered that Korea basically cares nothing for foreigners and makes no serious effort to help those living here.
And yes, they do have a responsibility to staff English speakers. What is this, Angola? EVERY developed nation will have a number of paid translators/interpreters to assist in these types of disputes. And I can speak for America that dishonest and cheating employers would be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Unlike this *beep* hole.
Real Reality has many articles on this. Korea is simply not equipped, either through their inability to act or their indifference, to deal with non-Korean speaking foreigners.
*beep* 'em. |
If you however walk in there with an attitude like you demonstrated above, it is no wonder that you got the kind of help you described. |
What attitude?
What part of his post do you think is untrue? |
For your first question see my last post in this thread.
As for your second please show me where I said that his post (or any part of it for this matter) was untrue.
Thank you. |
I think he came OUT with the attitude that you are referring to. He didn't go IN with it. I think his attitude was a response to the service he got, not the other way around.
As for my second question...No, you are correct. You did not accuse his post of being untrue. So why criticize it? I think his complaints are valid. I mean, if you can only get service in one language in the "Hub Of Asia", it's not much of a hub is it? |
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