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rawiri

Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Location: Lovely day for a fire drill.
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| I like K kids, i find them to be pretty respectfull, i think because i lay down the law from the get go. Today i was teaching one of my middle schoolers to play knocking on heavens door on my gat, after about 20 minutes he had the four chords down and was really stoked. I agree that it's not the kids you have to worry about in the hagwon, rather the management. |
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captain kirk
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 6:50 am Post subject: |
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I absolutely like kids. Didn't always. Used to find them annoying and 'non-dimensional' because I wouldn't 'stoop' to 'their level', too afraid. Too afraid of people in general, maybe. Probably.
Here's an interesting fact (IMO) I've observed. Kids, if you 'work it right' can give you energy. Most people would agree that working in a hagwon is draining, exhausting.
I was with these monks in a buddhist temple on a retreat once, for a long while, like three months straight. Not bragging, just did it. The monks were from Poland, U.S., England, speaking English about life in 'talks' every week, for one to two hours. Otherwise silence. Something they said about energy was that you get what you need. If you're putting out then that reservoir is refilled, because the universe won't allow entropy. Like the science experiment in elementary school about how dye in water will spread itself until the water is evenly represented in the glass.
So the more you give the more you get. If you put out alot what's missing will be replaced. If you're some big buddhist, like a boddhisatva or something, putting our truckloads of energy to help people it'll come back and he or she will be doing it again, giving it away the next day. Or minute, or whatever. Physically this doesn't seem to be so. Like if you run a marathon it isn't 'instantly' recouped, the energy. But perhaps the 'intangible' energy can be recouped promptly. And the more you contact the positive, intangible energy the more it effects the physical energy. For example, I don't think positive people are affected as much by illness. There are psychosomatic illnesses and states which lead to, or assist, physical illness and energy levels.
To get the kids' energy you have to put out to recoup, IMO. If you just sit there and slump the kids'll dance circles about your static presence, tie you up and paste a 'kick me' sign to one's morbid butt.
But if a teacher throws out quips and comic remarks, teases, and cajoles, spontaneously 'follows the bliss' heightening the atmosphere into a party of sorts then, amazingly, the next class is the same -more putting out and more good times.
Like a ball rolling.
Kids have hordes of energy. And I suppose you could 'classify' it into positive and negative. With the latter draining them and the teacher. It's reciprocal. Their positive energy is a big celebration because, I think, in ways they haven't 'learned' how to be down. If they are slumped in their negative energy state I've noticed that what works best is to keep being upbeat and joking -they'll come around if not that class but later. It's work to be bummed out and they'll realize it's not bumming you out. I heard someone say that the best way to depress someone is to act sullen when they're around.
I remember when I was a kid I was the same way. I had some things bothering me and they were with me then, family issues. But they didn't catch up with me and overwhelm that abundant 'kid energy' until I was a young adult. I'm 'realizing' as I write this that the same deal could be applicable to the 'miserable', stubborn middle schoolers I encounter. One said to me, 'elementary school is fun, but middle school is boring'. I asked if she thought the government would change the system and she said yes, but gradually I suppose.
They can dance circles around you or the teacher can dance with them and actually initiate a dance moment to moment, which is even better and actually the job, ideally.
So I owe kids alot. And my appreciation and gratitude becoming more visible and communicated to them, which makes things even better.
I was, for a long while, one of the abundant English teachers that looks down on himself for doing a job that is 'beneath him' (or her as the case may be).
I think the intangible energy of sharing a joke and a smile isn't 'something to sneer at', 'paltry' because it's not tangible like food, coffee, ginseng, orange juice, the physical gusto one has related to one's age. It can be cultivated and can snowball into a vibrant experience of life felt to the core. Yes, an 'emotional' energy. Before I left for Korea I went to a weekend ESL course for a couple of hundred bucks and the speaker said that 'teaching comes from the heart'. Sounds sappy, but being a sadsack is even sappier. |
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Badmojo

Joined: 07 Mar 2004 Location: I'm just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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Like peppermint, there is that 5% of the time... but that's usually when I'm unprepared, sick or hungover. |
I don't know anything worse than trying to teach hungover. You got no patience, you don't want to move, you're snapping at students. For some reason, they always seem louder that day....
In my ten months here, I've only been hungover once. That's quite an accomplishment for me. |
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Saxiif

Joined: 15 May 2003 Location: Seongnam
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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Like peppermint, there is that 5% of the time... but that's usually when I'm unprepared, sick or hungover. |
I don't know anything worse than trying to teach hungover. You got no patience, you don't want to move, you're snapping at students. For some reason, they always seem louder that day....
In my ten months here, I've only been hungover once. That's quite an accomplishment for me. |
Well there's teaching after having slept 3 hours the night before. However my sleep-deprived zombie voice seemed to have hyponized them that one time and they actually didn't give me any trouble  |
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Corporal

Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2004 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Mine is good. Other people's suck. |
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lush72
Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: I am Penalty Kick!
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 3:58 am Post subject: |
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Korean kids are so cool- I wish they could keep that innocence a little longer-
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lush72
Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: I am Penalty Kick!
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:26 am Post subject: |
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| Mine is good. Other people's suck. |
Corporal- that wasnt nice. I dont believe thats how you really feel. |
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desultude

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: Dangling my toes in the Persian Gulf
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:47 am Post subject: |
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| I really love children. I have a good time teaching camp. But six hours a day is too much, especially in this heat. |
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keithinkorea

Joined: 17 Mar 2004
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 4:58 am Post subject: |
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I like kids but I'd have to be really hungry to eat a whole one!
Joking apart, Kids are just like adults some of them are really nice and others are really bad. Generally I like the little blighters. |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Yap
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 6:47 am Post subject: |
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| Its really useful if you have some sense of western child development. The ability of Korean kids to express themselves in english has little bearing on the depth of their thought processes. |
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trevorcollins
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 8:26 am Post subject: |
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I like kids but I'd have to be really hungry to eat a whole one!
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Haha hilarious. You should go to China or somewhere. Rumor has it you can buy by the pound there. "I'll take a leg thanks Mr Wang" |
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The Man known as The Man

Joined: 29 Mar 2003 Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 8:36 am Post subject: |
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| Corporal wrote: |
| Mine is good. Other people's suck. |
I like kids.
kiwiboy, I like women.
out of the gutter,people! |
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skinhead

Joined: 11 Jun 2004
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 9:46 am Post subject: |
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| I certainly can't complete another year of teaching kids that are taught to not respect me and don't speak my language. |
These are two outcomes within one's control.
I myself teach the kids to respect me. The hagwon has lost two or three kids because I refuse to tolerate disrespect and have insisted, "Be nice, or get out." I'm more important to the hagwon than any one student, so my director learned which side to take with my either/or attitude.
And, they speak my language in my classroom, only English.
I have few rules, but they have been strictly enforced from day one.
Studies in American universities have found that teachers who are hard as nails right from the start, and then soften up over time, are more respected and liked than are loosy-goosy teachers who get fed up and try to crack down afterwards.
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Stout words. Worthy words. Like yer style. I've gotta get off of 'hard as nails from day one to day fifty', and lighten up at about day three. The class I've had for the last 10 weeks have been mostly Chinese high school graduates. Reminded me a lot of my hagwon high school classes on Saturday afternoons in Youngdeungpo els. Funkin' weekend work sucked! I've a lot of respect for teachers of urchins. I only ever had one grade two class while I was teaching in an area school. All OVER me for the entire two hours.
"She pulled my hair!"
"He's got my ball!"
"I feel sick!"
"Jon's done a poo in his pants, Mr Skinny." "what?"
I'm not worthy. You guys have my much rispek. Word!
Love to you all, Skinny |
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matthewwoodford

Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Location: Location, location, location.
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| keithinkorea wrote: |
I like kids but I'd have to be really hungry to eat a whole one!
Joking apart, Kids are just like adults some of them are really nice and others are really bad. Generally I like the little blighters. |
Damn - I wanted to say that!  |
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Corporal

Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2004 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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| lush72 wrote: |
| Corporal wrote: |
| Mine is good. Other people's suck. |
Corporal- that wasnt nice. I dont believe thats how you really feel. |
Don't you? |
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