|
Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
|
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
Homer
Guest
|
 Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2004 5:47 am Post subject: |
 |
|
Ah justagirl...as far as pension...as a canadian I will get it all back when and if I leave.
Korean teachers tend to make less then we do and often work more then we do.
It is a different ball game for them then it is for us and they more then not get the short end of the stick. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:22 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| not after several years on the job |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Homer
Guest
|
| Posted: Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:00 am Post subject: |
|
|
What? 
But then again that is true of us too Joo (if you did mean Korean teachers after a few years).
Heck, I make a lot more then I did a few years ago, have a lot more bargaining power and better work conditions and choices.... |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
duanemyhre
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
|
| Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 12:33 am Post subject: Interesting |
|
|
My Korean friend has been working for ECC for 5 years and gets paid 1.5-1.6 and does not pay any taxes. I know this because she could not get a loan for a house because she doese'nt pay any taxes. I don't know if she pays into a retirement fund?
Most of the Foreign teachers get paid about 1.9 (at that same ECC)
I get 3-3.2 at a uni |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
|
| Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 3:36 am Post subject: |
|
|
Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee is right. Homer is wrong.
Korea stands out as having a long scale reaching a much higher level than that of other countries. The starting salary for primary teachers in Korea is $24,140, marginally behind that for Australia at $25,775. Australia ranks 3rd in the starting salary offered to teachers but Australian teachers reach a relatively modest maximum of $36,175 (ranked 12th) quite early in their careers. Korean teachers, on the other hand, reach $39,921 after 15 years and $66,269 at the top of their scale.
(Unicorn Vol 26, No 2 July 2000)
International Comparisons Of Expenditure On Education
by Barry McGaw
http://www.austcolled.com.au/pubs.php?id=538
In Germany, Ireland, South Korea, and Switzerland, among others, teachers earn at least twice the GDP per capita. http://www.veaweteach.org/articles_archives_detail.asp?ContentID=324 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
|
| Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 8:05 am Post subject: |
|
|
Just an additional thought that noone seems to have touched on here, Koreans at hagwans make less than we do, but they don't have to move to a foreign country, worry about being deported, worry about paying back air-tickets if the boss decides to send you packing, worry about visa runs, live totally isolated from the community around them, be the constant target of the ddong chimmers, put up with verbal abuse from students, have to buy textbooks and resources for the school because - there are none, or have to worry about sitting out the remainder of a contract unable to work in Korea till that contract term expires.
I'm sure there are a few more that I missed here, but I think this makes my point. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Dalton
Joined: 26 Mar 2003
|
| Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 8:28 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Yes you do make a point that's been made here many times. Working on a visa in a foreign country is not the same as getting a job back home. The risks of working in Korea are well documented by foreigners and their embassies. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
|
| Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 8:58 am Post subject: |
|
|
Some things are worth repeating or quoting.
Koreans ...don't have to move to a foreign country, worry about being deported, worry about paying back air-tickets if the boss decides to send you packing, worry about visa runs, live totally isolated from the community around them, be the constant target of the ddong chimmers, put up with verbal abuse from students, have to buy textbooks and resources for the school because - there are none, or have to worry about sitting out the remainder of a contract unable to work in Korea till that contract term expires.
Foreigners Experience Difficulties in Living in Korea
Overall living conditions, including education, housing, medical care, transportation, immigration, and access to the Internet are pointed to as inconveniences. Not only inconveniences caused by different systems and customs in Korea, but also special discriminating practices, such as the practice of submitting two years of monthly rent in advance like a deposit, which is required of foreigners just because they are foreigners, are ubiquitous. "Even though Korea has achieved some degree of globalization in going abroad, it has still a long way to go for globalization in embracing foreigners inward," said foreigners residing in Korea.
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?biid=2004070522448 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
|
| Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 9:44 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| some waygug-in wrote: |
Just an additional thought that noone seems to have touched on here, Koreans at hagwans make less than we do, but they don't have to move to a foreign country, worry about being deported, worry about paying back air-tickets if the boss decides to send you packing, worry about visa runs, live totally isolated from the community around them, be the constant target of the ddong chimmers, put up with verbal abuse from students, have to buy textbooks and resources for the school because - there are none, or have to worry about sitting out the remainder of a contract unable to work in Korea till that contract term expires.
I'm sure there are a few more that I missed here, but I think this makes my point. |
I don't have to worry about any of the above (apart from the last one). And even that is easy to navagiate around if you have a few Korean ajossis who are your friends. Just take them to Immigration and let them smooze up the immigration guys. Been there did that, so I can verify it works. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Dalton
Joined: 26 Mar 2003
|
| Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2004 11:42 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
I don't have to worry about any of the above (apart from the last one). And even that is easy to navagiate around if you have a few Korean ajossis who are your friends. Just take them to Immigration and let them smooze up the immigration guys. Been there did that, so I can verify it works. |
So you're ok. Great. As for the 'last one' (your name for it) newbies may not know how or where to get Korean women (ajossis) to influence immigration officials. For that matter experienced ex-pats may not either. Point taken but you have to remember that many posts are for the benefit of newbies. I know that's boring and repititious sometimes but ... |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
|
| Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2004 12:08 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Dalton wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
I don't have to worry about any of the above (apart from the last one). And even that is easy to navagiate around if you have a few Korean ajossis who are your friends. Just take them to Immigration and let them smooze up the immigration guys. Been there did that, so I can verify it works. |
So you're ok. Great. As for the 'last one' (your name for it) newbies may not know how or where to get Korean women (ajossis) to influence immigration officials. For that matter experienced ex-pats may not either. Point taken but you have to remember that many posts are for the benefit of newbies. I know that's boring and repititious sometimes but ... |
Agassis are Korean women, so are Adjumas. Anyway arguing about romanization is kind of pointless. Hagwon, hakwon, hogwan....
As I said they were friends. If you are an experienced ex-pat you should have korean friends. If you don't, it would be cause to wonder just how "experienced" you are or what kind of experiences you have.
Granted that many posts here are for newbies, but that this particular one seemed more for the experienced people given the topic. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
jazblanc77
Joined: 22 Feb 2004
|
| Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2004 12:58 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Real Reality wrote: |
mindmetoo wrote,
"RR what's that actually have to do with the topic at hand? The question was "what do Korean hagwon teachers make?" and you're telling us what people in the Korean leather industry make. Yes I realize that list includes "education" which anyone with half a brain would realize averages in professor salaries and doesn't reflect a fair reflection of what the OP really requested: what do the in the trenches Korean hagwon teachers actually make."
Post subject: Wages of Korean Teachers
Average Annual Salary of Newly Employed University Graduate is 24.72 Million Won
Since when do Korean university graduates (with four year degrees) become university professors? |
This would also apply to the regulated teaching positions in the public system. There isn't a newly graduated Korean hogwan teacher in Korea that is working for anything close to this. IPSHI teachers usually make a bit more, around 1.2 to 1.6 million won on average to start depending on their education and experience, however, language school hogwan teachers are usually starting at about 1.0 to 1.3 million.
Let's be "real" here!  |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
