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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Using a recruiter is a bad idea, almost all the time. First of all, there are SO many jobs out there that can be had without the services of a recruiter, so why bother? |
Because the vastly, larger market here is represented by recruiters and to turn your nose up at playing the potential of the whole field, is cutting off your nose to spite your face.
The recruiter's value to us, is the increased access to a larger market and the introduction. Don't expect anything else from them, no matter what they say or their website says. Some are great, but better for you to err on the side of caution and just use them for the intro. If you have the willpower to say 'no' to a crap offer from a hard-selling recruiter, then use recruiters, in addition to direct ads. If you have no backbone and are worried about offending people if you say 'no', don't use recruiters.
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And what do you mean he gets to "keep your airfare money"? You paid the money for the plane ticket and expected reimbursement? Bad idea. Always make them mail you a ticket. |
Signing a contract overseas is like buying a vacuum cleaner over the phone from a saleman. The whole prepaid airfare/signing blind, is one of the key catalysts of why people get duped, and there are so many complaints and bad experiences. If you're serious about the next 12 months of your life and want to really reduce the risk, pay your way over, line up some contacts before coming, bring enough $$ to last for a month, and see what you're signing into.
And anyone that can't get reimbursed is either a mute or is a push-over at the negotiation table. Hell, it's not even about negotiating. Just ask them to put it in the contract, or you go next door to another school. Common sense, IMO.
I've handled over 60 contract signings back when I was recruiting, either directly or indirectly, for various schools, teachers, and associated recruiters and have never seen nor heard of anyone not getting reimbursed. It's very rare to not get it back. If any teacher here is having issues and concerns about reimbursement, please PM me and I will tell you what you need to do. But it's more about not saying 'yes, no problem', over and over in an interview which many new eager-beaver teachers do, who are flattered at the first sign of an offer. |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 5:05 pm Post subject: yes |
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I posted a few weeks ago about M & M and I was pretty much told to shut up.
I was right to be suspicious. They sound a lot like a different recruiter I had problems with before.
I just tell people to use recruiters at your own risk, and I definitely recommend not using one at all.
Gord: What is your problem? Who stuck a beetle up your a$$? Don't pretend to not understand me, either. |
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howie2424
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| If my first employer said "sorry, we're cutting your working hours and giving you a little pay raise and letting you keep the apartment and airfare", I would be doing the happy dance. |
Gord's right I'm afraid. My school starting whining a few months ago about how they really only needed a part time teacher. I jumped at the opportunity and found another legal PT gig within a week that pays 40K an hour. My income increased while my weekly hours decreased. The OP missed a golden opportunity. |
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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| If my first employer said "sorry, we're cutting your working hours and giving you a little pay raise and letting you keep the apartment and airfare", I would be doing the happy dance. |
Gord's right I'm afraid. My school starting whining a few months ago about how they really only needed a part time teacher. I jumped at the opportunity and found another legal PT gig within a week that pays 40K an hour. My income increased while my weekly hours decreased. The OP missed a golden opportunity. |
I just re-read the OPs comments and missed that. 10hrs/week at 80,000/hr, plus visa sponsorship, airfare, medical, and severance? Those arrangements are more harder to find than 2.5+/mnth gigs at 30hrs a week. I would've thought that one through better than quickly dismissing it. Even if you had to give it a little time to find other gigs to fill up the rest of your schedule, to bring you back up and above 1.9. |
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textin
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 9:07 pm Post subject: Mom |
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I think Mom actually believes we want to read his lectures on how to live our lives. At least judging by the lengths he goes to to address every issue.
The key factor you seem to miss "mom" is that not everyone is like you or thinks the same. Nor do you have a complete understanding of the issues via your PC and internet connection. eg) one does not necessarily know it takes an hour to get to the job until they have been to the interview ie) schools often say its closer than it is etc..., buses often take longer to arrive than claimed etc...
Mom, you are basically full of shite and spend to much time on the PC. |
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hadeshorn
Joined: 30 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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I think we are coming up to the 6th where I say.
Gord, Your a donkey.
If I use the other word, it might get beeped out. Just want to get the sentiment across.
Keep your holier then thou crap to yourself unless a thread is open called "Gord, please rant here. We value your input" |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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| In Russian, the word "gord" means "proud". |
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pecan
Joined: 01 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:49 pm Post subject: Not sure |
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I do not share the history that many of you posters have on this site, but I have been able to read many posts from the past.
I am curious why a few posters get upset when a person makes a rational and intelligent post. Why the emotion?
I do not know Gord. He may or may not be a great guy in person, but his advice is very astute.
Bash away, but those of us without a history here, are able to see it.
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prosodic
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
Location: ����
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| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 12:43 am Post subject: |
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| I do not know Gord. He may or may not be a great guy in person, but his advice is very astute. |
I agree that Gord's advice is astute, but the tone of the writing is condescending. Good communicators know that a message can get lost in the delivery. I think that people would listen to Gord a lot more if he used a friendlier tone of voice in his posts. People tend to stop listening to even the best advice when they feel like they are being insulted and talked down to.
And Gord, keep in mind that I write this as somebody who agrees with most of what you write. I just don't agree with the way that you write it. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 4:11 am Post subject: Re: In reply to Mom |
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| Gord wrote: |
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Plus who said anything about working illegally? Hello? Remember the part about having a legal work visa and an employer who is saying you will only be working for them part-time. It would be a very simple exercise to sign up other places to work at on your visa.
If my first employer said "sorry, we're cutting your working hours and giving you a little pay raise and letting you keep the apartment and airfare", I would be doing the happy dance.
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His employer owns the visa though. Part-time or not, if the employer says no, (and this is likely given that he did not seem to have that great a relationship with his employer) then he can not (legally) work at another place.
As for "cutting your working hours and giving you a little pay raise" that does not apply to the OP's situation at all. His pay went from 1.9 to 800,000. Now if you are talking about pay per hours then yes, but teaching is a salaried job, not an hourly wage job for most people. Semantics aside, the OP's overall pay went down. |
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agraham
Joined: 19 Aug 2004
Location: Daegu, Korea
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| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 5:01 am Post subject: |
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| prosodic wrote: |
I agree that Gord's advice is astute, but the tone of the writing is condescending. Good communicators know that a message can get lost in the delivery. I think that people would listen to Gord a lot more if he used a friendlier tone of voice in his posts. People tend to stop listening to even the best advice when they feel like they are being insulted and talked down to.
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I think this paragraph by Prosodic is the most astute in this entire thread. |
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textin
Joined: 12 May 2004
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| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 7:46 am Post subject: re Mom |
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Does Mom really think we want to read his second analysis of situations he knows little about, and the subsequent theories on life that he also seems to offer in each post?
And all that tlak about peoples' Moms not being around to help...is this guy serious?
Its a simple post designed to discredit a pair of dishonest recruiters , nothing else. I dont have time to analyse Moms responses...but man...that dude is wacked. |
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Homer
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Dishonest according to online testimony.
Pardon me if I don't scream out "guilty as charged".
In this case, Gord's posts and advice, while presented in a slightly condescending tone, were bang on. |
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prosodic
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 8:17 am Post subject: |
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I agree with mog in the other thread. By my count this makes four different threads on the same topic. One is warranted. Four is so far beyond superfluous that I don't even know how to describe it.
If you spend enough time in Korea, everybody gets screwed at least once. In my opinion, the thing to do is to learn from the experience and move on. Maybe you post one thread about what happened. Definitely you should devote as much time as possible to finding a new job. In my opinion, posting redundant threads just shows that you aren't devoting enough time to the job hunt. That will most likely result in getting screwed again because you need to spend time researching the school. |
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Raoul Duke
Joined: 17 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Sep 02, 2004 8:20 am Post subject: |
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| Gord's mom rocks, as does Gord's advice. |
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