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wylde
Joined: 14 Apr 2003
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It's one thing to complain about people getting term wrong, but wouldn't it be better to correct them instead of just *beep* so that they'll get it right next time
"Hangugo" for korean language instead of "hangeul"
"Waygookin" for foreigner, not "waygook"
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it is best not to correct someone if you have no idea yourself..
geez... look at the crap in this thread..
hungook (hanguk) mal is spoken
hungook ah (hangugo) is language in general
hungool (hangeul) is written
pretty sure this is 100% accurate.. maybe it isn't..
but why is it a good thing to correct someone with the wrong information? |
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Wisco Kid
Joined: 07 Sep 2004
Location: Changwon
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| Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 5:24 am Post subject: |
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| The one that includes words like "hof" and "Pee Shee Bang" and "and "Bob Teacher". |
Ok, this one really does get to me because it is just plain bad English and everyday we all reinforce it by not correcting it. I'm talking about [/b]"Bob Teacher". In every other place I've taught, the kids have no trouble saying "Teacher Bob".
Are we supposed to accept "Spock Doctor", "Bill Fire Martial" and "Bush President" ?(oh sorry, that's Bushy)
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wylde
Joined: 14 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 9:14 am Post subject: |
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| The one that includes words like "hof" and "Pee Shee Bang" and "and "Bob Teacher". |
Ok, this one really does get to me because it is just plain bad English and everyday we all reinforce it by not correcting it. I'm talking about [/b]"Bob Teacher". In every other place I've taught, the kids have no trouble saying "Teacher Bob".
Are we supposed to accept "Spock Doctor", "Bill Fire Martial" and "Bush President" ?(oh sorry, that's Bushy)
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i hope you are american... this may help you to realize some of your own errors and hypocrisy when asking that question..
is it ok to say march 20 and not the 20th of march? 20th day of the 3rd month or the 20th of the 3rd... seeing as though we read left to right do we really need the month first every time we read the date or are you guys a bit slow over there?
so, it's ok to say president bush over bush president but what about high school ridgemont over ridgemont high school? where do you draw the line?
is it ok to say room 305 and not the 305th room?
what about a left turn over turn left? make a left turn... do we make it with paper or wood?
what about sidewalk over footpath? do we walk sideways on a sidewalk?
round trip over return trip? is a round trip actually round like a circle as american english suggests?
take a rest over have a rest? to where will you take your rest?
restroom over toilet? is a rest room for having a rest?
big issues out of small things
in korean the name comes first.. 'wylde sung seng nim' old habits die hard.. you will teach them today that it is actually 'teacher wylde' but all day tomorrow (in korean) it will be kim sung il teacher..
we are fighting a losing battle.. 1 class a day compared to 10 classes a day with korean teachers..
if you didn't know, koreans are the smartest people on the planet.. they will listen to a korean teacher over you any day.
depending on the age of the students, we need to teach them what is important.. is it important that they speak english or have correct sentence structure? doing both at the same time would sure be a lot of work for a kid to remember..
you will never make a student fluent.. that is only acheived by studying abroad and losing the connection with korean and english...
ask a student to say their vowels.. this will show you where the main problem stems... teach them everyday for 3 weeks and then nothing for 6 months and ask them again.. 7/8 of them won't remember.. why? cuz all day everyday the korean teacher tells them otherwise..
we are fighting a losing battle
point - try to teach them stuff that will not conflict with everyday life using the korean language... it then becomes much harder for you and your students...
try telling them that watchis is actually watchEs... it won't stick because a korean teachers will tell them otherwise..
chickin is actually chickEn.. when they read english, they think korean.. when they see 'chicken' they think 'ġŲ'
when they see 'bush' they think '�ν�'
i don't mean to be an asshole, maybe i do... dunno 
my belief... relax and 'chill out' with your students... the main hurdle is lack of effort on their part due to fear of making a mistake.. if you can be their friend over being their teacher, they will relax too and talk to you in english more often.. correct the little things they have trouble with, things will be smooth and they'll want to talk to you..
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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| The one that includes words like "hof" and "Pee Shee Bang" and "and "Bob Teacher". |
Ok, this one really does get to me because it is just plain bad English and everyday we all reinforce it by not correcting it. I'm talking about [/b]"Bob Teacher". In every other place I've taught, the kids have no trouble saying "Teacher Bob".
Are we supposed to accept "Spock Doctor", "Bill Fire Martial" and "Bush President" ?(oh sorry, that's Bushy)
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I don't really accept either "teacher bob" or "bob teacher". My kids calll me Miss Peppermint, or just plain teacher. |
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kermo
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| kermo wrote: |
| Wisco Kid wrote: |
It's one thing to complain about people getting term wrong, but wouldn't it be better to correct them instead of just *beep* so that they'll get it right next time
"Hangugo" for korean language instead of "hangeul"
"Waygookin" for foreigner, not "waygook"
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I'm puzzled. When I hear people asking me if I speak Korean, they always use the term "Hangulmal". So, what's the difference? |
They're actually saying 'Hangugmal'. Romanized, it comes to us as 'Hanguk mal', literally meaning 'Korean speak', or to us, 'korean language'.
When spoken, the 'k' is rolled like a light 'g'. So when said quickly from a Korean, it almost sounds like 'hangoomal'. So, I can see where you can make the connection to 'hangeul mal'. I assumed that as well, in the beginning. |
Wow! Thank you very much. That was very concisely and gently put. |
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casey's moon
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: Daejeon
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| Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2004 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="wylde"]hungook (hanguk) mal is spoken
hungook ah (hangugo) is language in general
hungool (hangeul) is written [quote]
The way I understand it is that hangukmal (pronounced hangoongmal) is the pure Korean way of saying "Korean language" and hanguguh is the sino-Korean way of saying "Korean language." I don't think there is any difference of meaning, but as the quote suggests a slight difference of usage. Hangeul is the writing system, as the above quote suggests.... |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 7:57 am Post subject: |
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[quote="casey's moon"][quote="wylde"]hungook (hanguk) mal is spoken
hungook ah (hangugo) is language in general
hungool (hangeul) is written
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The way I understand it is that hangukmal (pronounced hangoongmal) is the pure Korean way of saying "Korean language" and hanguguh is the sino-Korean way of saying "Korean language." I don't think there is any difference of meaning, but as the quote suggests a slight difference of usage. Hangeul is the writing system, as the above quote suggests.... |
This is correct, with one addendum. Hangeul can also refer to anything that has been written in Korean such as a hangeul shinmoon (newspaper).
BTW, this is quite possibly one of the most egregious hijackings of a thread I've ever seen on this board. |
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J.B. Clamence
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 8:27 am Post subject: |
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As for waegook, are you sure that country and not just Foreign? Maybe more of foreign country? ah nm, just seen thats what you wrote actually.  |
wae = outside, foreign
guk = country (example: miguk = USA, chungguk = China, taeguk = Thailand)
in = person
So technically waeguk is a "foreign country", and waegukin is a "foreigner". However, I agree with those who say that "waegook" is commonly used by English speakers here in Korea to refer to "foreigners" (I've never heard the word used anywhere in English, including on this board, to refer to a "foreign country"), and everyone knows what the poster means, so who cares if it's not what it actually means in Korean. Do you jump on your Korean friends every time they use Konglish which doesn't have the appropriate meaning in English? |
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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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| If by jumping, you mean 'correcting', yes. I correct Konglish and misunderstood and misspoken english. Last I heard, that's why they want us here. |
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Sleepy in Seoul
Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ
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| Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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Waegook as a word for foriegner is incorrect as previously stated. Just because many people use it does not make it correct. It is always incorrect.
I believe that people should make an effort to correct these errors - errors that are often made simply through laziness.
Isn't it simpler to learn Korean properly? Not learning foriegner's Korean and correct Korean seperately? I think so. But maybe I am a pedant.
My rant has finished. |
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peemil
Joined: 09 Feb 2003
Location: Koowoompa
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| Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| No one speaks bloody English! |
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J.B. Clamence
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 4:14 am Post subject: |
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No one said it was correct, just that it was commonly used by foreigners to mean "foreigner" -- call it an abbreviation if you will. If you're speaking Korean then I agree -- you should try to use the right words in Korean. However, when speaking English, Korean words can be modified according to general use. Most foreign words in English are not exactly as they are in the foreign languages they were adopted from. For example, what the hell is a "sultan"? A king or emperor? Not at all!
And the same goes for English words used in Korean. For example, What the hell is a "handphone"? or a "Y-shirt"? If you heard someone speaking Korean, and use the word "handphone", would you step in and say, excuse me, I know you're not speaking English, but I couldn't help but noticing that you seem to have taken that word you just used from English, and I would just like to point out to you that that is not the proper word for it in English." Your argument would make no sense because they are not speaking English, so therefore English rules do not apply.
The OP did not write his message in Korean, he wrote it in English. Therefore, whatever Korean word he used should be interpreted the way it is most commonly used by English speakers. And, as I said, I have often heard it used to mean "foreigners", but I have never heard it used in English to mean "foreign countries".
Again, as I stated above, there are many English words of foreign origin which do not actually mean what we seem to think them to mean. Shall we correct a person every time we hear any of them? Or just the Korean ones? And shall we correct Koreans who use words like "handphone" while speaking Korean? Have fun with that little project, but count me out. |
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matthewwoodford
Joined: 01 Oct 2003
Location: Location, location, location.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2004 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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Wylde, you were completely wrong about the meaning of those Korean words. You also seem unable to cope with the idea that American English operates by different rules to British English. You are *wrong*! Accept it!
Nevertheless, I am truly curious about what Korean teachers, especially in the state schools, teach them. Do you have any eye-witness accounts? |
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wylde
Joined: 14 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2004 1:10 am Post subject: |
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| matthewwoodford wrote: |
Wylde, you were completely wrong about the meaning of those Korean words. You also seem unable to cope with the idea that American English operates by different rules to British English. You are *wrong*! Accept it!
Nevertheless, I am truly curious about what Korean teachers, especially in the state schools, teach them. Do you have any eye-witness accounts? |
this is what i mean when i said 'look at all the crap posted in this thread'.. people go on & on correcting something they don't have a grasp on themself..
i'm not wrong btw...  if i am wrong, the rest of the people on here and my korean wife must be also.. maybe i could have explained it in a little more detail.. owell
someone took the bait.. took a while but someone bit... 
everybody else saw i was just fishing.. i've been saying the same thing on here for the last 12 months
korean teachers teach english using the korean alphabet.. that is why korean english is so fucked up...
chicken - ġŲ bush - �ν�
little things, i know.. but prime examples.. when i first arrived here i went into lotteria and asked for a chicken burger.. i actually had to make my arms into the shape of wings and make a chicken sound before she finally said 'aahhhhh CHICKIN burger'
also what i mentioned above...
i'll give them a little credit.. it's not as bad as japan.. |
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