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sistersarah
Joined: 03 Jan 2004 Location: hiding out
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Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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I actually totally understand why some people don't like smaller dogs, as my natural inclination is to have a bit rompy sort of dog like a collie... but allergies brought the first lovely poodle into my life when I was growing up, and now I have just bought another and he's a doll too.
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yeah, poodles are great for the no-shedding thing, eh? love it. we have a beagle back in canada, and while he's a fantastic dog, every time i sit down i'm covered in hair.
and it's really ashame, the stereotyping poodles have received. most people who have never owned one seem to think they are annoying little yappers, while i haven't heard this dog bark twice since i got him. quiet as a mouse. perfect for an apartment. |
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azjen
Joined: 29 May 2004 Location: Youngtong, Suwon
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 3:17 am Post subject: dogs in Korea |
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I flew my dachshund here from the US (there used to be two but days before their flight a pit bull killed one of them). I also adopted a Schnauzer from a pet store. He was very ill when I took him home and the owner gave him to me for free. He had pnuemonia and some sort of mite infestation.
After I cleared his ailments I tried the potty training. From the moment I took the schnauzer home he knew how to pee and poo on the potty mats. I was tired of switching the mats twice a day just to keep the odors down, so I've been working on him relieving himself outdoors. It definitely was a task to convince the poor guy it was ok to go outdoors. The problem I run into is what do I do with poo after the dog is done? I got a weird look when I picked some up this morning and placed it into a garbage can. Is it acceptable to leave it on the street? It seems wrong but Korea is lacking on readily available garbage cans on the street.
There is also vomit everywhere!
With the dachshund she now has some sort of ear problem. I have to clean her ears once a day and administer ear drops to get rid of some fungus. Guess the humid climate also affects these guys more than I thought. If I leave town I take the two dogs to their vet, its somebody they now and its a person I can trust. I'd never take them to a pet store, especially seeing how bad they let the schauzer get without any veterinarian care.
Dogs in Korea is definitely a different game than dogs in the US or Canada. Overall, we're all adapting to such diverse conditions.
What is it like when its time to take the dogs home? Are there Quarantine and customs fees you have to pay in the US (similar to what I had to pay in Korea)? I know I have to have shot records. I just don't want any surprises. I had loads when I brought my dog here! |
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SuperFly

Joined: 09 Jul 2003 Location: In the doghouse
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 3:38 am Post subject: |
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One dog
Two dog
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casey's moon
Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: Daejeon
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 5:09 am Post subject: |
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Superfly, your dogs are gorgeous!
Sarah, yes, poodles are absolutely lovely pets when they are properly socialised and trained! And they smell great too! Your dog doesn't even bark at other dogs? My dog does, if he is restrained from approaching them -- other than that, quite quiet.
Aszen (sp?) Okay, I have the puke problems too -- the worst part is that it takes 3 or 4 good rains before the remnants are gone... disgusting.
As for the crap, I pick it up and deposit it in a special bag I have outside my apartment. In order to break your dog from the pee pads, you're going to have to get rid of the pee pads (at least that's how it was with my dog). I tried a combo effort, but it was too confusing for everyone. I still have one ready in case I don't want to go out (in the middle of the night, for example) but he always has to scratch on the door to relieve himself. It works great!
Do you guys buy high quality food? I found Solid Gold once, but that was some kind of fluke -- I would love to find it, or something similar again... the bag is almost running out. Anything with a lot of corn is a no-go with my dog's allergies . |
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Dawn
Joined: 06 Mar 2004
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 6:49 am Post subject: |
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| Do you guys buy high quality food? I found Solid Gold once, but that was some kind of fluke -- I would love to find it, or something similar again... the bag is almost running out. Anything with a lot of corn is a no-go with my dog's allergies . |
Have you considered a biologically-appropriate raw food diet? I've been feeding my baby Eukanaba (sp?) for the past year, but am planning to begin moving him away from the processed stuff over the holidays. |
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T-dot

Joined: 16 May 2004 Location: bundang
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 6:49 am Post subject: |
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jongro, what you feed your jindo's?
mine wont eat any dry food and barely touches the soft stuff.
tried like 5 or 6 diff. dry and none of them seem to go over with her.
what food do the rest of you use? |
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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 7:57 am Post subject: |
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jongro, what you feed your jindo's?
mine wont eat any dry food and barely touches the soft stuff.
tried like 5 or 6 diff. dry and none of them seem to go over with her.
what food do the rest of you use? |
Well, T-dot, we had only the one jindo, Temple Dog, for any serious length of time, though I've dog-sat four other jindos. Temple Dog (thus named by the GF because we got him from a nearby temple) ate the dry stuff found at any supermarket in those massive sacks, and he was pleased to get it, too. Before he came to our house, all he -- or most dogs & cats in Korea -- ever got were table scraps & rice.
It's possible to spoil a dog. And a dog that doesn't get proper & regular exercise is more likely to go off his feed. If he's hungry enough, a dog will eat just about anything you put in front of him, so it may be that your dog just lacks a healthy appetite.
This is just my own uneducated opinion, but I wouldn't want to hook a dog on some fancy, expensive, imported hard-to-find food. "Designer dogfood" I call it, and I refuse to buy it on principle. That's a huge topic in itself and not worth going into here. Plenty of websites to back up anyone's claim.
Unrelated and not directed at you, T-dot, but at everyone -- Please, please, please make sure your dog or cat has a full water bowl. Nothing makes me madder or sadder than seeing a dog chained up somewhere with no water in sight. They don't drink often, but god, when they need it, it's got to be there.
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casey's moon
Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: Daejeon
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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Jongnoguru, I'm very interested in why you don't like "designer dogfood" (and would love an excuse to give up my quest). Others might be interested too, but if you're not comfortable writing about it here, please pm me, or at least please post a link to one of these websites.
yes, I've though about BARF (raw food) diet, but I think my husband would leave me if I started putting that much money and work into our dog's food. He and I have very different philosophies on dog owning (you should have heard me talking him into getting our pooch neutered!)... so no go there.
The reason I do feed him the high quality stuff is more what I don't want to give him (especially corn) which makes him itchy. But Solid Gold isn't working out all that well either... ear infections, etc.
Ahh. I know this would be easier at home. |
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JongnoGuru

Joined: 25 May 2004 Location: peeing on your doorstep
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Jongnoguru, I'm very interested in why you don't like "designer dogfood" (and would love an excuse to give up my quest). Others might be interested too, but if you're not comfortable writing about it here, please pm me, or at least please post a link to one of these websites. |
[NOTE: Scientific studies have shown that the average Dave's ESL Cafe reader will not fully read a post longer than 5 lines, but will instead skip it entirely, read only the first three lines, or do a light skimming at best. If anyone wishes to response to this post, I suggest they read it from beginning to end. Go on -- pack a lunch... make a day of it. ]
First, Casey��s Moon, please know that this is only in response to your post, not directed at you. I��m sure some people might take exception to things I say here, and that��s fine, but it��s the whole board I��m talking to. Not one or two people. As current or former dog-owners, we have more things in common than things that separate us.
Second, I am no expert on raising dogs. I couldn��t even describe myself as a ��dog-lover��, with the sometimes fanatical impulses and attitudes that term suggests. Nor am I particularly well informed on the subject of pet nutrition, which may be as controversial and emotionally charged as the topic of human nutrition.
This parallel is particularly apt. Debates rage over the validity/ludicrousness of the latest ��miracle�� health food or fad diet, the healthy/unhealthy aspects of this or that ethnic cuisine, food additive or vitamin supplement. Just wait awhile, and new schools of thought have opened, old ones have closed, and proponents & opponents have switched sides due to revolutionary, ground-breaking new scientific findings. Vested interests weigh in on one side of a debate, then the opposing interests counter-fund research to support their position or product. And round and round we go.
Everyone involved in these high-stakes charades is well paid for playing their role – except for the poor suckers in the audience (the customers) who lose sight of the bigger picture, and spend all their time and a pile of money leaping from one fad to another, instead of spending 30 min. a day working out or jogging which is all they ever needed.
Now apply that to the ��designer dogfood�� business where hypes, semi-truths and plain old BS are just as common as they are in marketing everything from cars to ginseng to perfume. I personally find the information printed on the backs of ��Formula�� or ��Life Plan�� or whatever dogfood packages a real hoot. Same goes for their advertorials that vets & pet supply centres distribute. They all sound so bloody authoritative, don��t they? Telling you why their diet is the ultimate best, and why their competitors (or whatever you might be feeding your dog) is soooooo bad! And they ALL say so.
There��s such an amazing number of contradictory (even self-contradictory) and opposing claims out there that, at the very least, you must arm yourself with a healthy suspicion of everything. Better yet, ignore it all and go with time-tested experience – buy the cheaper brands that have stood all but a negligible minority of (adult) dogs in good stead for decades. And for the majority of dogs and their owners, those here on Dave��s included, I know your dogs are irreplaceably special to you. I know they each have their own personality, temperament, funny tricks, naughty habits and all the rest. But they just ain��t all that special in objective terms, or to an extent that necessitates shelling out 3 times more for ��designer dogfood�� of dubious benefits. (Please, no flames from champion dog owners here.)
Like fad-diet or vitamin-supplement rackets, the ��designer dogfood�� racket has its customers right where it wants them: pissing their pants for fear that they��re not only endangering their dog��s health by not buying into the company��s hype and buying its products (nothing against capitalism, mind you), but more importantly, that their pooch might actually be�� (gasp!!) average. Run of the mill. A member of the common herd. And perfectly suited for the boring old standard brands of dogfood.
The reaction of many dog-owners to such assertion is, ��Oh no, that simply isn��t true. It mustn��t be! My dog (by which such people really mean ��me��) isn��t ��average�� or ��run-of-the-mill.�� My beautiful, one-of-a-kind ��Schmootzy�� is hands-down the most special dog on the whole planet, and you��re just being dreadful and mean to suggest she isn��t. She��s got very unique food needs, oh yes she has, and special health conditions, I swear to God she does, and nothing you can say will ever make me believe standard-brand dogfood is good enough for her. �� Ah, see! Now here��s a dogfood made by people who truly understand my Schmootzy��s (and my) undeniable uniqueness�� Yes, it��s wildly expensive, impossible to find, not made in Korea nor advertised on TV. Wouldn��t have it any other way.��
A few things I��d bear in mind��
Be careful not to confuse political correctness with accurate science, esp. when the discussion turns to things like all-natural ��Bones And Raw Food�� diets.
Respecting dogs or any animals (if ��respecting�� is the word I want) entails respecting the fact that they aren��t humans, and they can do without the tendency of dog owners to project their own human wants, needs, insecurities or foibles onto them.
Allowing for differences in weight, age and breed characteristics, I would put my money on Pepper (the trash-scavenging mongrel I picked up off the street) and Temple Dog (raised on rice, fish guts and other Korean kitchen slop before we got him) against any apartment-bound pooch reared on ��designer dogfood�� in any serious test of health, all-around fitness, strength and mental acuity. Doggie Marathon? Hunting & Trapping in the Mountain? Street Brawling? 100-Day Forced March? Taxi Dodging? Butterfly Catching? Standard Dogfood-Eating? You just name it.
I realise that everything I��ve said is debatable, if not outright ��flame-able.�� These are my thoughts, views, opinions and prejudices and no more than that.
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casey's moon
Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Location: Daejeon
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Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 4:17 am Post subject: |
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Just got back from husband's hometown and caught your reply. Thank you for the time and effort you put into your post, and trust me when I say I read it all (it's not hard to read a long post if it's well-written, which is where a lot of people go wrong).
I'm in no way insulted or annoyed by your opinion, and will definitely keep it in mind as I look for something that works for my dog. You may or may not believe this, but my dog is an itchy little guy, and the vet blames it on allergies (and no she didn't go on to try to sell me any particular food!). BUT, when I started giving him "solid gold" (designer) dog food, the problem got worse. I'm willing to try pretty much anything, cheap or expensive to make his itching go away. Perhaps grocery store fare is worth a try.
I also believe that dogs are dogs and should be treated like dogs. To me, that means with love and with some serious boundaries...
Anyway, thanks again, and your post was not in vain! It is worth thinking about, definitely... |
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SuperFly

Joined: 09 Jul 2003 Location: In the doghouse
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Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 5:00 am Post subject: |
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My boys like Chinese food from Pei Weis.  |
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T-dot

Joined: 16 May 2004 Location: bundang
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Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 3:33 am Post subject: |
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my dogs a little picky about food.
so, far this has worked. i mix in a little tuna and dry food (pro plan) and she eats it up. dunno if its good for her, but she likes it.
another long time dog owner in korea thought i should try this for my jindo; he swears by it.
1 raw egg a day. mix some boiled potatoes and carrots to serve as the main diet.
surprising, my dog also likes the raw egg suggestion, havent tried the potatoes and carrot thingy yet. |
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pet lover
Joined: 02 Jan 2004 Location: not in Seoul
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Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:31 am Post subject: |
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Both my dogs eat raw chicken (with the bones), beef, veggies, and fruit. I keep dry commerical dog food in the bowl in case they get the munchies between meals. I don't mind if that gets dragged onto the bed, but I have serious objects to a piece of bloody meat attached to a raw bone getting chewed on on my bed.
Dog 1 is seven years old and for 6 and a half years, ate various types of "designer" dog food. He suffered greatly from all kinds of itchies and rashes. The vet claimed he was allergic to (among other things) flea saliva, grass, pollen, and dust. Since switching him to a BARF diet, he has had NO itchies or rashes or problems with allergies. His teeth are in much better condition, he never fusses about eating, his fur is shiny and silkier, and he's much healthier over all.
Dog 2 is six months old and has been on a BARF diet since I got her. She likes to gnaw on the "designer" dog food between meals (the chunks are HUGE), but I think that is more because she is teething than still hungry. When I got her, she was scrawny, her hair felt like straw, and she had a LOT of stained brownish red hair on her. (She's a Maltese.) Now, her hair is silky smooth and a brilliant white all over. She is no longer scrawny (and also not fat). She's very happy and extremely healthy.
Because of the overall success of this and because I feel like such an idiot for buying into all that commercial dog food jazz for so many years, I'm even putting the hamster on a BARF diet. No more commerical hamster food for her--though I'll have it on hand for emergencies. I pick dandelions for her every day and she gets fresh fruit and veggies daily. Back before I gave her fresh greens and fruit, she was really rather chubby. She's sleek now and so active!
If I could be bothered to catch enough insects on a daily basis, I'd switch my fish off of commerical food as well. I really, really believe in it.
And, something to think about when you wonder if BARF is really that good for your dog: A couple hundred years ago, were dogs eating commerical food? How about a thousand years ago? Heck, has it even been around for a hundred years? Cancer didn't use to be so common in dogs and cats. I'm wondering if commerical dog food is one of the causes.
If anyone is thinking about switching to BARF, feel free to pm me. I can also recommend a really good book on it that is informative but not boring. It's an easy read. I'd recommend it now, but I've loaned it to someone and can't remember the title off hand. |
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SuperFly

Joined: 09 Jul 2003 Location: In the doghouse
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Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 6:36 am Post subject: |
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polonius

Joined: 05 Jun 2004
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Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 7:41 am Post subject: |
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Very interesting discussion going on here. I have a dog, a schnauzer. I bought him here in Korea, he has since returned to Canada with me, and then made the flight back to Korea on his own. While I was home, staying at my mother's place, he ate one of her knee high stockings. Unforetunatly the little dude wasn't able to pass it, and it caused a blockage in his intestine. I found this all out the day I was set to return to Korea for another tour of duty. (with my dog, Jack) The vet back home said that he needed an emergency operation, and so $3000 dollars later, he was ok. Mom took care of him while he recuperated, and then sent him over when he was well enough.
Jack is pretty good about his food, he will generally eat anything. His only time of uncertainty was when switching his dog foods. At that time, I just mixed in a bit of apple juice to add some moisture, which he really loved.
Training him for the great outdoors was fairly easy. When they are pups, they should be in crates. For the most part, a dog won't do its business where it sleeps. So as soon as a would get home from work, I would take him out for a walk, and he eventually (i.e. 2 weeks) understood that outside was the place to go. I also had the pads inside for those got to go now moments. And after he went, I would still take him outside for positive reinforcement.
I must say that I have enjoyed my time here in Korea much more since I bought Jack. I was quite tired of the bar scenes, and was quite happy to have an excuse for going home every night. |
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