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Grotto
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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 Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 8:06 pm Post subject: hypocritical |
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AFN is totally hypocritical.
The spots where they do their protest about human trafficing  Take a long hard look around any American military base...juicy bars galore.
Where do the soldiers get to go for a little R&R, Thailand, the Philipines well noted for their sex tourism trades. The American military morale officers even arrange for cheap hotel rooms and complimentary drinks in places that are right on/near the busiest sex trade areas.
One other thing, since when is the sound of a machine gun firing, or a bomb going off 'the sound of peace'?
There is this dumbass(he is American not that it matters) who was telling me that the because they dont allow backpacks in the bars in Song Tan there have been no terrorist attacks. I asked were there any terrorist attacks in Songtan before this policy went into effect?
Similar to the joke of the guy who wore his shirt on inside out...a curious acquantence asked him why he always wore his shirt on inside out...he replied it keeps the bears away  The acquantence said there are no bears in the city See its working said the dumbass |
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shortskirt_longjacket
Joined: 06 Jun 2004
Location: fitz and ernie are my raison d'etre
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 8:42 pm Post subject: Re: hypocritical |
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| Grotto wrote: |
The spots where they do their protest about human trafficing Take a long hard look around any American military base...juicy bars galore.
Where do the soldiers get to go for a little R&R, Thailand, the Philipines well noted for their sex tourism trades. The American military morale officers even arrange for cheap hotel rooms and complimentary drinks in places that are right on/near the busiest sex trade areas.
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And no ESL Teacher has ever been known to head to SE Asia to indulge in Sex Tourism of course. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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| tardisrider wrote: |
| For what it's worth, I've joked about some of those announcements with a few military types. Without exception, they've been as bemused as I was by those spots. |
Yeah, hate to break it to a lot of you guys, but most military folk I talk to think the PSA on AFN are as humorous as we do.
It might be attractive to think that the average GI "grunt" is a flag-waving illiterate farmboy who thinks the sun rises and sets on Geo Bush's backside, but the truth is there ain't many people more cynical and less likely to believe "the official story" than the people who have taken on the job of killing and maybe dying for it. |
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katydid
Joined: 02 Feb 2003
Location: Here kitty kitty kitty...
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| Posted: Sun Dec 19, 2004 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, I'm not saying they believe in what they are watching, just that the powers that be have a reason to put them on the air in the first place, ones that I can understand. There might be some kinf of conflict of interest nvolved.
I think their news programming is pretty crap as well, but I know why you won't see a national news report on TV: reports from Iraq that could damage morale. |
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Sooke
Joined: 12 Jan 2004
Location: korea
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| Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:02 am Post subject: |
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| katydid wrote: |
| I'm wondering if people in Australian or Canadian military bases are subjected to the same thing. |
I lived on a Canadian forces base in Germany for several years, and while we had CFN (Canadian Forces Network), we didn't have any commercials or PSAs. They pretty much videotaped stuff and just played the tape. they really didn't try to make it like a real TV network or anything.
I agree with most of the other posters. I don't think there are too many GIs who take the PSAs seriously. It's just more BS they have to put up with.
Sometimes the little bits of Americana are interesting, tho'. (the combat boot was invented on this day in 1913, or that nebraska has the world's largest building made of corn) |
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thorin
Joined: 14 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:16 am Post subject: |
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I spent four years writing propaganda for the army (print, not AFN) and I can tell you a lot of that stuff is written tongue in cheek. We actually gave out awards for the worst products. Joe watches AFN for sports and that's about it. He's more skeptical about anything anyone else tells him about the army, his country or the mission than any English teacher, trust me.
FYI, real soldiers don't consider anyone stationed in Korea to be a soldier at all. In fact, they consider them something less than human (but that's another story for another day). |
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Blind Willie
Joined: 05 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:24 am Post subject: |
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| thorin wrote: |
| FYI, real soldiers don't consider anyone stationed in Korea to be a soldier at all. In fact, they consider them something less than human (but that's another story for another day). |
Funny thing is, if you replace "soldiers" with "ESL teachers" in the above statement, you'll have nailed a similar attitude I've discovered.
Korea: Land Of The Red-Headed Stepchild.
The couple of GI's I've met while here seemed to be ordinary folks no better or worse than the rest of us foreigners... just really large, with access to guns. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:35 am Post subject: |
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| ummmm...isn't the world's largest building decorated with corn in Mitchell, SOUTH DAKOTA, not Nebraska? I believe it is known as the Corn Palace. |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon
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| While I am not very fond of Bush and his Neo con war Hawks, I see soliders in two basic categories. The first, being guys that like the appeal of going guns and weapons, they have s strong desire for power and are often sick bastards (I put most cops in this group as well). The second group are simply guys looking for a job. Pretty normal for the most part. |
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thorin
Joined: 14 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 1:38 am Post subject: |
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| The Bobster wrote: |
| there ain't many people more cynical and less likely to believe "the official story" than the people who have taken on the job of killing and maybe dying for it. |
Exactly. Most of my interviews went something like this:
(lower-enlisted guy)
"Hey Joe, you gotta minute?"
"*beep* you."
"I working on a story about--"
"Get outta my way bitch!"
"I'm really sorry about this but your CO said--"
"*beep* the CO."
"So I'm gonna use your name and have you say a bunch of stuff that my boss told me to write, is that cool?"
"*beep* you."
(mid-grade enlisted)
"Yeah, I know, you want my nameline"
"Thanks for helping me out"
"No problem, just make it so over the top that no one will actually believe I said it."
With officers, you just plug in straight talking points. Colin Powell used one of my talking points about Kosovo verbatim. Scary, isn't it? |
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thorin
Joined: 14 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 1:56 am Post subject: |
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| riverboy wrote: |
| While I am not very fond of Bush and his Neo con war Hawks, I see soliders in two basic categories. The first, being guys that like the appeal of going guns and weapons, they have s strong desire for power and are often sick bastards (I put most cops in this group as well). The second group are simply guys looking for a job. Pretty normal for the most part. |
What about the adventure freaks? The poets? The homicidal maniacs? The patriots? The athletes? The sadists? The musicians? The outdoorsmen? The adrenaline junkies?
Don't you think it's a little naive to think you can put that many people into two neat groups? Human beings are individuals regardless of what uniform they choose to wear. |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 3:19 am Post subject: |
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| Yes. Two groups is not enough. Because the military can attract all kinds of people. But I meant in a broad sense. There are different, what...? levels of that, for the most part, however, I believe it is either work related or usualy a deep psychological desire for domination and power. I believe cops fit in this group as well. |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...
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| Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 3:58 am Post subject: |
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FYI, real soldiers don't consider anyone stationed in Korea to be a soldier at all. In fact, they consider them something less than human (but that's another story for another day).
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Seeing as how one doesn't chose one's posting location I find this pretty odd ... |
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thorin
Joined: 14 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:03 am Post subject: |
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| riverboy wrote: |
| Yes. Two groups is not enough. Because the military can attract all kinds of people. But I meant in a broad sense. There are different, what...? levels of that, for the most part, however, I believe it is either work related or usualy a deep psychological desire for domination and power. I believe cops fit in this group as well. |
I couldn't disagree more. If anyone joins the army due to a "deep psychological desire for domination and power", they're in for a rude awakening. There is no more subservient way of life. Soldiers have more in common with monks than cops. |
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thorin
Joined: 14 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:33 am Post subject: |
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| kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote: |
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FYI, real soldiers don't consider anyone stationed in Korea to be a soldier at all. In fact, they consider them something less than human (but that's another story for another day).
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Seeing as how one doesn't chose one's posting location I find this pretty odd ... |
You can't choose your post per se, but you can choose the level of training you receive. The guys here generally chose the bare minimum, hence the disdain for them. |
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