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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2004 6:28 am Post subject: |
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You're teaching in NY.
What do you expect? |
My aunt teaches in NYC. She makes $80,000 a year (been on the job 25 years). All NYC jobs, the pay is small for the first five years and then increases a good amount. Never mind the nice pension she gets when she retires. It is not all bad, but of course it sucks when you first start out (just like any job). |
Didn't know that, and sounds much less terrible now.
But $80,000 a year doesn't go so far in the NY area. |
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hogwonguy1979

Joined: 22 Dec 2003 Location: the racoon den
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Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2004 8:37 am Post subject: |
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I have done both and despite the small apt, whining students, I'll take Korea in a minute. I don't care about moving up the ladder etc. Where I work now I get automony, plenty of time to do other things.
My SO now wants to go back to the US get her teaching cert and teach special ed. It may be thing that breaks up our relationship. |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2004 10:01 am Post subject: |
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| Real Reality wrote: |
Korea stands out as having a long scale reaching a much higher level than that of other countries. The starting salary for primary teachers in Korea is $24,140, marginally behind that for Australia at $25,775. Australia ranks 3rd in the starting salary offered to teachers but Australian teachers reach a relatively modest maximum of $36,175 (ranked 12th) quite early in their careers. Korean teachers, on the other hand, reach $39,921 after 15 years and $66,269 at the top of their scale.
(Unicorn Vol 26, No 2 July 2000)
International Comparisons Of Expenditure On Education
by Barry McGaw
http://www.austcolled.com.au/pubs.php?id=538
In Germany, Ireland, South Korea, and Switzerland, among others, teachers earn at least twice the GDP per capita. http://www.veaweteach.org/articles_archives_detail.asp?ContentID=324 |
How about Canada? Seems to me some teachers are doing OK there. |
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korian
Joined: 26 Feb 2004
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Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2004 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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as someone mentioned earlier, money isn't everyhting. i know that wasn't specifically the point of the question but the way many have answered one could infer that money is the top priority for everyone.
sure it's important, i'm not some philanthropic forest dweller with sandals and a rucksack. but it's not everyhting. korea wins hands down for saving potential and job conditions without a doubt. for all things compared, you could hardly get a better gig than korea. especially a uni gig in seoul which is what i had.
but by the end of 2.5 years in korea no amount of money in the world could have made me happy in korea. i hated it and needed to get out. sure that's just me. but what i'm saying is you need to factor into the equation more than just what you can save and the job conditions.
perhaps my situation was a little more unique coz i worked uni and only 15 hours per week. i had too much time off and being idle was just killing me. just to clarify, i come from a beach in sydney and love the ocean. so being away from the water, the clean air, the open spaces and the green trees was killing me. as were the communication barriers, the agression, the jostling and other things that people often talk about.
korea has a lot of good things about it undoubtedly. and number one might well be the job conditions. but to put some serious money away from your job in korea you need to be there many a year - at least 3-4 but more i think - and thus you must ask yourself, are you willing to sacrifice the quality of life for thos years?
for me, coming from where i do, the answer was an emphatic no. so to the OP, you can't just factor in your job conditions when comparing your life. it's a big part, but not all. |
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chiaa
Joined: 23 Aug 2003
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Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2004 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Derrek wrote: |
| chiaa wrote: |
| Derrek wrote: |
You're teaching in NY.
What do you expect? |
My aunt teaches in NYC. She makes $80,000 a year (been on the job 25 years). All NYC jobs, the pay is small for the first five years and then increases a good amount. Never mind the nice pension she gets when she retires. It is not all bad, but of course it sucks when you first start out (just like any job). |
Didn't know that, and sounds much less terrible now.
But $80,000 a year doesn't go so far in the NY area. |
Actually 80K does go a long way if you have been in the city for 20 years. If you have lived in the city or around for a good amount of time you either: Own your own home or live in a rent controled building. My brother lives smack dab in the middle of Manhatten and pays $800 a month in rent. His neighbor who just died, lived in his place for 20 something years was paying $250 a month (bet the landlord was really happy when he kicked the bucket). A lot of NYC jobs are now offering reduced priced housing for their workers. Police officers can get a home for about 50% of the market value if they sign a contract to live in that home for at least five years. |
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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2004 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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His neighbor who just died, lived in his place for 20 something years was paying $250 a month (bet the landlord was really happy when he kicked the bucket). |
All interesting information. I wonder what the apartments look like. |
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matthews_world
Joined: 15 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2004 2:07 am Post subject: |
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I'll take America thank you very much!
Korea can be a great place to make money, granted.
I'm happy to be going home this week. I was thinking what a relief it would be to not hear and see adjoshis hawking goobers on the street and little kids smiling and replying "Helloooo!" |
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Ody

Joined: 27 Jan 2003 Location: over here
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Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2004 7:01 am Post subject: |
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| I'm happy to be going home this week. |
ba bye! |
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jaykimf
Joined: 24 Apr 2004
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Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2004 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| *beep* dude. Get the next flight to Korea. Your other option is to go to a small town. At least you would have better quality of life. Good small town life is one thing Korea doesn't offer to foreigners, or to Koreans for that matter. |
Well , of course you are entitled to your opinion about what makes a good place to live, but please don't presume to speak for the rest of us. I live in a small town of about 20,000 and I think it is great. I wouldn't live anywhere else in Korea. Highrises? yes, we have some 12 story apartment buildings--so what? A decent career for foreigners? Apart from teaching English I'm not qualified for any other decent career anywhere in Korea. I wouldn't leave this town for any job or career in Korea. In my opinion Korea has great small town life. Obviously, others will have differing opinions, depending on what they think is important. |
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phaedrus

Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Location: I'm comin' to get ya.
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Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2004 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| *beep* dude. Get the next flight to Korea. Your other option is to go to a small town. At least you would have better quality of life. Good small town life is one thing Korea doesn't offer to foreigners, or to Koreans for that matter. |
Well , of course you are entitled to your opinion about what makes a good place to live, but please don't presume to speak for the rest of us. I live in a small town of about 20,000 and I think it is great. I wouldn't live anywhere else in Korea. Highrises? yes, we have some 12 story apartment buildings--so what? A decent career for foreigners? Apart from teaching English I'm not qualified for any other decent career anywhere in Korea. I wouldn't leave this town for any job or career in Korea. In my opinion Korea has great small town life. Obviously, others will have differing opinions, depending on what they think is important. |
I only ever speak for myself. I'm glad you enjoy what I consider hell.
I'm not saying I wouldn't enjoy a few years in small town Korea, but I think the long term prospects are bleak, hence there is nothing being offered to me by small town Korean life. I want a secure high paying job in a small town in Canada, so I can enjoy my job and my money and my quality of life. I find small towns in Canada are cleaner, and there is more access to nature. I don't see any chance of all those things coming together in small town Korea. |
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harixseldon
Joined: 27 Nov 2004 Location: Anseong
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Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| Derrek wrote: |
| chiaa wrote: |
His neighbor who just died, lived in his place for 20 something years was paying $250 a month (bet the landlord was really happy when he kicked the bucket). |
All interesting information. I wonder what the apartments look like. |
My uncle lives somewhere similar. I think he pays around $800 a month but he lives in Manhatten in a two bedroom, two bathroom, big living room, big dining room, big kitchen apartment. It's pretty sweet. |
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Sonja
Joined: 24 Dec 2004 Location: korea
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Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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Korian
perhaps my situation was a little more unique coz i worked uni and only 15 hours per week. i had too much time off and being idle was just killing me.
You left a uni job to go back home to teach because you had too much free time??? Ouch... |
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jaykimf
Joined: 24 Apr 2004
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Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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| *beep* dude. Get the next flight to Korea. Your other option is to go to a small town. At least you would have better quality of life. Good small town life is one thing Korea doesn't offer to foreigners, or to Koreans for that matter. |
Well , of course you are entitled to your opinion about what makes a good place to live, but please don't presume to speak for the rest of us. I live in a small town of about 20,000 and I think it is great. I wouldn't live anywhere else in Korea. Highrises? yes, we have some 12 story apartment buildings--so what? A decent career for foreigners? Apart from teaching English I'm not qualified for any other decent career anywhere in Korea. I wouldn't leave this town for any job or career in Korea. In my opinion Korea has great small town life. Obviously, others will have differing opinions, depending on what they think is important. |
I only ever speak for myself. I'm glad you enjoy what I consider hell.
I'm not saying I wouldn't enjoy a few years in small town Korea, but I think the long term prospects are bleak, hence there is nothing being offered to me by small town Korean life. I want a secure high paying job in a small town in Canada, so I can enjoy my job and my money and my quality of life. I find small towns in Canada are cleaner, and there is more access to nature. I don't see any chance of all those things coming together in small town Korea. |
Well, if you might enjoy a few years in small town Korea, then what small town Korea would be offering you would be a few years of enjoyment. Which seems to me to be something rather than nothing. But then again since you consider it to be hell, are you saying: "I'm not saying I wouldn't enjoy a few years in what I consider Hell." ? Hmm , interesting. |
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phaedrus

Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Location: I'm comin' to get ya.
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Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| jaykimf wrote: |
| phaedrus wrote: |
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| phaedrus wrote: |
| *beep* dude. Get the next flight to Korea. Your other option is to go to a small town. At least you would have better quality of life. Good small town life is one thing Korea doesn't offer to foreigners, or to Koreans for that matter. |
Well , of course you are entitled to your opinion about what makes a good place to live, but please don't presume to speak for the rest of us. I live in a small town of about 20,000 and I think it is great. I wouldn't live anywhere else in Korea. Highrises? yes, we have some 12 story apartment buildings--so what? A decent career for foreigners? Apart from teaching English I'm not qualified for any other decent career anywhere in Korea. I wouldn't leave this town for any job or career in Korea. In my opinion Korea has great small town life. Obviously, others will have differing opinions, depending on what they think is important. |
I only ever speak for myself. I'm glad you enjoy what I consider hell.
I'm not saying I wouldn't enjoy a few years in small town Korea, but I think the long term prospects are bleak, hence there is nothing being offered to me by small town Korean life. I want a secure high paying job in a small town in Canada, so I can enjoy my job and my money and my quality of life. I find small towns in Canada are cleaner, and there is more access to nature. I don't see any chance of all those things coming together in small town Korea. |
Well, if you might enjoy a few years in small town Korea, then what small town Korea would be offering you would be a few years of enjoyment. Which seems to me to be something rather than nothing. But then again since you consider it to be hell, are you saying: "I'm not saying I wouldn't enjoy a few years in what I consider Hell." ? Hmm , interesting. |
Sure, I'd stay in hell for a few years. If the pay was good it would be okay. Once the novelty wears off, though, I would want to leave. The main drawback is that most people in hell have to stay there. I can go to Canada anytime I want. |
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Rather_Dashing
Joined: 07 Sep 2004
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Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2004 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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| How about Canada? Seems to me some teachers are doing OK there. |
Canada's public education system, in most provinces, is broken. For example: in Quebec, the pay is dogpoop and the working conditions are horrid. Meanwhile there is a severe teacher shortage, espescially in the anglophone sector, and the bureaucrats are wondering why.
On the other hand, some places have it pretty good in Canada. Like in Ontario, where you start at about $39,000 CDN - that's pretty good money unless you live in a major metro area.
Per-capita GDP, ppp-corrected (purchasing power parity) with the US, is roughly $33,000 CDN. If you live in a metro area you may max out at about $70,000 CDN but outside that, you won't be making more than $50,000 CDN. Don't count on it. Teacher pay has been stagnant in Canada in most places for 20+ years.
As for the OP, NY city life isn't for everyone. Frankly, unless I could find a job that pays $100,000 USD a year there, I wouldn't live there. Cost of living is the highest in the US, and guess what, taxes of all sorts (reminds me of my native Canada... almost) are close to the highest in the US also.
Whoever said that they had to quit because they had TOO MUCH time with their Uni job: get a hobby and learn Korean. Of course you're going to go insane otherwise. |
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