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lastat06513
Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian
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For once, the mods did something right. Thank you for throwing out my post.
Anyway, if you really take a look at the way North Korea is being run, that is the same way Korea as a whole would have been if the Russians won the Russo-Japanese War and gained trusteeship over Korea.
And I'm sorry to say, much of the way Korea was ran was almost similar to alot of other colonies during that period (Indo-China *France*, Indonesia *Neatherlands*, etc.). Exploitation was rampant all over the place (and the US was no angel either [philippines 1898-1946])
The problem is that Korea has and will always view themselves as victimized people.
Do Americans hate Britain for taxing them to death during its colonial period? No. In fact, the US started doing low-level trade with England a few years after the war, even while the British were impressing American sailors to fight in the royal navy.
I strongly believe that no matter how much Japan apologizes for its war-mongering past, Koreans will never be totally satisfied.
What's next? I think in about 25 or 30 years down the road they will do the same to the US for its "occupation" and demand the US pay reparations for all the bad things it has done during the 50+ years it has been in Korea.[/i] |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2005 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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Depends on how you define an apology. I have a Jap friend in LA, 27, and his thoughts on what happened to Korea under Japanese rule was the typical "that happens in war" stuff. I guess I could say the same thing to a Holocaust survivor about the Germans, that the Germans put Jews in concentration camps "for their own safety."
To be honest, the Chinese have a bigger gripe against the Japanese (ie the Rape of Nanjing), but as an ethnic Korean, I can't help but to feel some antagonism towards Japan. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 2:38 am Post subject: |
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| lastat06513 wrote: |
Do Americans hate Britain for taxing them to death during its colonial period?
I strongly believe that no matter how much Japan apologizes for its war-mongering past, Koreans will never be totally satisfied.
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My friend bought a VW. His father, who survived the blitz, commented "you know that's a German car!" "Dad, World War Two has been over for half a century." I dare say there are still people who grew up during the war and don't have it in their minds to forgive the Germans or Japanese. The Germans, however, have done a pretty good job of contrition. There are few people born after the war that hold a grudge. I would dare say it's because of the many acts of contrition. Opinion leaders and intellectuals have nothing to bite down hard on to continue and legitimize what might ultimately be a visceral hate for those fancy pants Germans. Little nations need a bigger nation of war mongering dofuses to really hate. It makes us feel better and more noble. Canadians viscerally hate Americans. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 2:41 am Post subject: |
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mindmetoo wrote,
"Canadians viscerally hate Americans." |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 5:07 am Post subject: |
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| Real Reality wrote: |
mindmetoo wrote,
"Canadians viscerally hate Americans." |
Great. You can put things in a big font. *clap* You're an idiot. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 5:36 am Post subject: |
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| Barking Mad Lord Snapcase wrote: |
There's nothing wrong with basic facts being quoted in newspapers and magazines. It's the way you express them that counts.
Stating that "War X was good for Nation Y" is an opinion, because there are arguments either way. It's about balance and objectivity. |
Thank you. That's the journalistic distinction between fact and opinion that SHOULD be used in deciding whether to publish inflammatory opinions in the popular press.
I never advocated hiding the truth, it's the so-called "truth" of debatable arguments which undercut the basic beliefs of a society that I suggested is very differently received in history books and journal articles than it is in magazines or newspapers, where this latest hoopla surfaced.
A NY Times story about all the harm caused to the longterm development of Third World nations by the financial firms in the Twin Towers? I don't think you'd receive anything short of abuse, even if the academic arguments are well supported (and I doubt whether the paper would even publish it).
A magazine story in Texas about the need for gun control? Oh, there would be major backlash.
A newspaper story in Mississippi about how the slave trade has improved the lives of African Americans? There'd be many calls by the public for someone to lose their job over that kind of thing, teaching students that.
(And I'm not touching the obvious job losses which resulted over teaching evolution in parts of America.)
So, when a magazine story in Korea asserts that the Japanese occupation of Korea was a good thing, what the heck do you expect other than widespread outrage?
I'm not talking about what to teach or not teach in the classroom, or even whether to publish one's arguments and claims one way or another.
It's about the lack of wisdom of a professor volunteering to publish his words in the popular press on the matter: he must have expected to have a rough time. Should he lose his job? I don't think so.
But... is the public outrage entirely understandable and acceptable given reactions elsewhere in the so-called free world?
Of course it is.
I get pretty tired of the self-righteous "Koreans are stupid!" posts. Be condescending and feel superior to them if you want; just expect that some won't be toting that line. |
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Real Reality
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 5:54 am Post subject: |
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mindmetoo wrote,
"Canadians viscerally hate Americans." |
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diver
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 5:55 am Post subject: |
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| lastat06513 wrote: |
| What's next? I think in about 25 or 30 years down the road they will do the same to the US for its "occupation" and demand the US pay reparations for all the bad things it has done during the 50+ years it has been in Korea.[/i] |
Er...It's happening now. |
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase
Joined: 04 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 6:43 am Post subject: |
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| Yaya wrote: |
| but as an ethnic Korean, I can't help but to feel some antagonism towards Japan. |
As an Australian, I do not feel very much antagonism at all towards Japan or Germany. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 6:51 am Post subject: |
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It may surprise some, but as a Canadian I actually feel no antagonism towards Germany!  |
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Cthulhu
Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 8:12 am Post subject: |
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| I think experiencing occupation (vicariously for those born too late) as opposed to experiencing a war between combatants severly ratchets up the level of animosity. I have no animosity towards Germany as well but many of my Irish relatives still feel a strong animosity towards England. |
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Gunshake
Joined: 01 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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| mithridates wrote: |
| It may surprise some, but as a Canadian I actually feel no antagonism towards Germany! |
And as a pedigreed Korean who's never been to Canada or Australia, I sure know Aussie aboriginies don't bear any grudge against Japan or Germany. |
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Drakoi
Joined: 26 Sep 2003
Location: The World
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2005 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Yaya wrote: |
Depends on how you define an apology. I have a Jap friend in LA, 27, and his thoughts on what happened to Korea under Japanese rule was the typical "that happens in war" stuff. I guess I could say the same thing to a Holocaust survivor about the Germans, that the Germans put Jews in concentration camps "for their own safety."
To be honest, the Chinese have a bigger gripe against the Japanese (ie the Rape of Nanjing), but as an ethnic Korean, I can't help but to feel some antagonism towards Japan. |
Except the rape of Nanjing is a big propoganda ploy by the Chinese. They grossly exaggerated the extent of that particular tragedy. |
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Godzilla
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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At the end of the day the prof has done something very 'un-Korean' and gone against the herd. He's done his research and put forth a convincing argument and should be lauded for his actions. Anything that makes Koreans think outside the box about their past is to be encouraged, rather than allowing them to swallow the whole myth that all these Chosun period dramas portray.
Well done that man! |
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