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Is Kangnam the best part of Seoul?
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep

PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2005 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bobbyhanlon wrote:

personally i love ��û��, in the north of seoul. lots of interesting stuff around there.

I think so, too.

Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote:

Jongno is a lot more eclectic

Cool

uberscheisse wrote:

funny, since i moved to seoul, i've yet to see a significant difference between (sh)itaewon and gag-nam as far as levels of civic pride, hygiene and organization. gangnam is a crappy slum with an unwarranted and inflated self-image.

after spending the last 4 weeks or so travelling all over japan and vietnam, i have come to a disturbing conclusion - korea is DIRTY. even gangnam is intolerable.

I sweep the streets up here.

kangnamdragon wrote:

I live in Kangnam for a reason...

You've made your Dave's handle, and by gawd, you're sticking with it. I'm okay with that. Smile

keithinkorea wrote:

Some of the markets around Namdaemun and the whole Jongno area are interesting.

y, ty!

Zyzyfer wrote:

I gotta second the Jongno nod.

Nod noted. Smile

Tiger Beer wrote:

When I lived in Sillim-dong.. I was about equidistant from Jongno, Itaewon, Hongdae/Shinchon and Kangnam.

During that year.. I went to Jongno 25+ times.. HongDae/Shinchon 50+ times.. Itaewon 50+ times.. and Kangnam I went to 3 times thinking that I was missing something by not going there only to remind myself why I never go there.

Its REALLY boring and VERY overpriced.

I can really relate to the underlined bit. I think it takes a Korean of a certain age and shallow mentality, or Korean parents of a school-aged kid to truly get out of Gangnam all that it has to offer. I've lived there and liked it during those years and at the age I was, but that was then.

For me, Gangnam anymore is just a place where most of our Korean clients are located. We go there maybe 10 times a year, stick around only long enough to tend to business, and then go to Costco in Yangjae.
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philinkorea



Joined: 27 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Apr 09, 2005 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i lived near jongno for a year and thought it was great. My school was in Jongno. I agree with the post that says it does have a real Korean feel to it also. Theres dondongju bars, lots of noraebangs, dvd bangs etc. loads of hofs, really reasonably priced.

I lived in insadong for a few months. before that id lived in Hyojadong near gyeongbokgung palace which i thought was ideal. it was really quiet and peaceful, had some real authenticity to it. could walk around the corner to Gyeongbokgung palace and also close to party hard in Jonggak. I went out in Jonggak for most of the year I thought it was great.
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Atkinson



Joined: 15 Oct 2004
Location: Land of the Golden Twist-tie

PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kangnamdragon wrote:
I live in Kangnam for a reason...


This thread is about those reasons.

I'm curious, and would like a more balanced description than "too expensive" and "jongno is better." You may be the only one here who can help with that. Care to share?

For example, Kangnam is a good place to get high-quality (western brand)shoes. You pay 10x as much for them as the Korean cheapies, but they give better support, and last more than 10x longer.
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Daechidong Waygookin



Joined: 22 Nov 2004
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont like being around poor people. There are almost none in Kangnam and then if I see one asking for money, I just ignore them. So I like Kangnam.
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Swiss James



Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Location: Shanghai

PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know much about Gangnam except Apkujeong- the shopping is good there, Paul Frank, DKNY, a huge Adidas flagship store, ABC Mart for shoes etc.
There are some pretty good restaurants that offer something outside the run-of-the-mill. I've been to a good conveyor belt place- like the more common sushi ones, but with loads of different dishes including meat to be BBQd going round, also a pan-asian restaurant that was not 'fusion style' but actually had some vietnamese noodles, chinese dim sum etc. New York Fries is good once in a while too

On the other hand I tried to go drinking in Apkujeong last Thursday and it was a total disaster- one place was throwing a Jaegermeister drinks party but had actually ran out of alcohol (this was around midnight), the place looked like a bomb had gone off too,everywhere else was either completely empty, or the type of place you have to buy a bottle of whiskey in a private room so that girls will talk to you.

I was with a few people who haven't lived here for long and was embarassed by how crap the night was.

Fit girls though, definitely fit girls.
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?

PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Atkinson wrote:
kangnamdragon wrote:
I live in Kangnam for a reason...


This thread is about those reasons.

I'm curious, and would like a more balanced description than "too expensive" and "jongno is better." You may be the only one here who can help with that. Care to share?

For example, Kangnam is a good place to get high-quality (western brand)shoes. You pay 10x as much for them as the Korean cheapies, but they give better support, and last more than 10x longer.


Then you need to give more qualifiers. "Is Gangnam the best part of Seoul?" is a pretty broad base to cover. To be the best area, you have to offer a very wide variety of services and activities.

If you want to talk about shopping, then you should mention that. Areas in Korea tend to be specialized quite heavily; if you want a wide selection of car repair shops, the area where Jeongja meets Sunae in Bundang has plenty to offer. If you want cheap, Western-sized clothes or insanely awesome blankets, go to Songtan. If you're looking for the best food selection, there are several keen areas to eat, such as Aju in Suwon (best dongassuh I've had in Korea so far, other great options), Itaewon, Hongdae, so on. If you want a place with entertainment in general, I personally feel that Jongno is either in the thick or very close to all sorts of varied entertainment venues.

In my experiences in Gangnam, I've never found it entertaining in the slightest, and the only good reason I'd see to live there would be the centrality of it, which isn't even all that central.
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billybrobby



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To me, the problem with Kangnam is its too far away from everything else. All that north of the river stuff, Hongdae, Sinchon, Jongno even Itaewon is pretty close to each other. Kangnam is just stranded in the south.

The woodstock there kinda sucks compared to the ones in Sinchon and Itaewon. no pitchers. oh, the nerve!

The NB there is better than the one in Hongdae. What's that other club there? 4 Xs? They're the only 2 proper clubs that I know of there. What else is there?

There's some crazy bar there that looks like a jungle or a tropical island when you walk in. Only been there once, but it was cool. Anybody know the name and/or directions?

Maybe I dunno Kangnam well. I wish its defenders would tell us some specific places to go.
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Swiss James



Joined: 26 Nov 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't think much to 4x when I went there, charging foreigners but not koreans is a pretty low trick - and then not charging a Thai friend because, well, he's kind of asianish which is close enough- the music was OK, and it's good to hear some K-Pop mixed in with the western stuff- pretty expensive for a shabby place though
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gangnam does not really have in spades what most foreigners would call interesting. A agree with the posters above that it seems a whole lot of fuss about nothing.

Gangnam appeals to Korean sensibilities much more than to western ones. They like the fact that it's much newer-looking than Northern Seoul (anyone else like northern soul?!! Wink ). They like how so many BMW and Mercedes cruise up and down wide, tree-lined, boulevards. Then there's the exclusivity. To have a decent apartment in Gangnam you must be doing pretty well. So just living there makes Koreans feel good. To afford the up-scale bars and restaurants there you must have a lot of disposable cash. It means young, single Koreans know that if they go out for a night in Gangnams best venues then they will likely meet other young single people of the opposite sex who their parents will approve of. i.e. They have money.

I live there because my Korean g/f was mad keen on living there. Plus, I don't really care. It's great to be near CO-EX. That's about all I like about the place. Also, when new restaurants open they always try to be a little different. So there isn't just streets and streets of standard Galbi restaurants. They always seem to have more interesting menus and cooler styling.
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Tiberious aka Sparkles



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 2:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

eamo wrote:
Gangnam does not really have in spades what most foreigners would call interesting. A agree with the posters above that it seems a whole lot of fuss about nothing.

Gangnam appeals to Korean sensibilities much more than to western ones. They like the fact that it's much newer-looking than Northern Seoul (anyone else like northern soul?!! Wink ). They like how so many BMW and Mercedes cruise up and down wide, tree-lined, boulevards. Then there's the exclusivity. To have a decent apartment in Gangnam you must be doing pretty well. So just living there makes Koreans feel good. To afford the up-scale bars and restaurants there you must have a lot of disposable cash. It means young, single Koreans know that if they go out for a night in Gangnams best venues then they will likely meet other young single people of the opposite sex who their parents will approve of. i.e. They have money.

I live there because my Korean g/f was mad keen on living there. Plus, I don't really care. It's great to be near CO-EX. That's about all I like about the place. Also, when new restaurants open they always try to be a little different. So there isn't just streets and streets of standard Galbi restaurants. They always seem to have more interesting menus and cooler styling.


Well put.

Sparkles*_*
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Saunagukin



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, it's over-priced and Jong-no is better. However, I haven't have a single hello-nice-to-meet-you-giggle-giggle since I got here. That's not to say that I won't...and I don't know why it is, but I like it. (And no need to start on the "why can't you just say hello" kick, please. That's another thread.)
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Daechidong Waygookin



Joined: 22 Nov 2004
Location: No Longer on Dave's. Ive quit.

PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saunagukin wrote:
Yes, it's over-priced and Jong-no is better. However, I haven't have a single hello-nice-to-meet-you-giggle-giggle since I got here. That's not to say that I won't...and I don't know why it is, but I like it. (And no need to start on the "why can't you just say hello" kick, please. That's another thread.)


Good point. I have not, in the 6 months of living in Kangnam (other than around my school ofcourse) had any kids assault me with their hellos. People in Kangnam leave you alone. You can actually walk down the street and just be part of the crowd, left totally alone. Also, waslking around with my wife, hand in hand or arm in arm, doesnt even draw any stares or looks. People say Kangnam is plastic, but atleast its more civilized than other parts of the city. People actually get the concept of personal space and privacy.
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good points about being ignored in Gangam. Never thought about it, but it is fairly accurate.
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Daechidong Waygookin



Joined: 22 Nov 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bucheon bum wrote:
Good points about being ignored in Gangam. Never thought about it, but it is fairly accurate.


Being ingnored alone makes it awesome. Thats like 50% of the quality of life in Kangnam.
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 11, 2005 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Daechidong Waygookin wrote:
People say Kangnam is plastic, but atleast its more civilized than other parts of the city. People actually get the concept of personal space and privacy.


Apparently you've never been to Kangnam station area. It's pretty close to my own personal definition of hell. Over crowded with the worst sort of Koreans ( the whiny, obsessed with checking people out and being checked out type), plus the same complaints of being expensive dirty and dull- like the rest of Kangnam.
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