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crazylemongirl

Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Location: almost there...
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 5:48 am Post subject: |
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Be careful about picking your "friends" - these guys I wouldn't want to even be in the same room with.
A friend got me my current job - I owe him big time. I've made sure that I have always paid my way and more - and treated him on numerous occasions. And it was over two years ago he got the job for me. I still remember his favor - I hope I can pay it back some day.
EFL is such a small world - and you are right - a lot of it is about back scratching and helping each other. You never know when the guy you helped (or shorted) is hiring for the next job you'd like . . . in a paradise location . . . |
actually that's true of any profession. It's not what you know, it's who you know. |
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Cedar
Joined: 11 Mar 2003 Location: In front of my computer, again.
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:26 am Post subject: |
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| I think the foreign teachers are exceptionally cheap. When Koreans earning half their salary are willing to have a lean week in order to be hospitable and pay the entire bill, foreigners are calculating their share of the bill, counting the change and adding it up twice. I long ago made it my policy not to hang out with foreigners much in this country, and this is one reason... I was just so embarrased by their behavior in front of the Koreans we'd be out with! These days I am a poor student, myself. You know what? I try not to go out often, cause there is NO WAY I am going to let a Korean split the bill or pay for me twice in a row! |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Someone posted a story once about getting married. His fellow waegook teacher went to his wedding and gave a rather generous amount. Something like 60,000 or 80,000 won. Double or triple the amount one normally gives. All was good until a month later the teacher asked for the money back. "I'm short this month and I gave you a lot of money for your wedding... so could I have it back?" |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Someone posted a story once about getting married. His fellow waegook teacher went to his wedding and gave a rather generous amount. Something like 60,000 or 80,000 won. Double or triple the amount one normally gives. All was good until a month later the teacher asked for the money back. "I'm short this month and I gave you a lot of money for your wedding... so could I have it back?" |
Sounds to me like a moocher. He spends more money than he should and then begs for more. He's probably here because he owes money to everyone in his hometown.
When we go out, we pitch in 10000won each to pay the bill. If more is needed, we give more. If some is left over, we split the change, giving a little extra to those who got there a bit later. We won't split a thousand won bill, so sometimes a guy ends up paying more or less than the others. I don't care, it's not as if 1000 won is going to make or break my budget. |
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Universalis

Joined: 17 Nov 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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I used to work with a guy who was always looking to go in halfs on bottles of beer and bowls of rice.
"Anyone want to split a beer?"
"Anyone want to share some rice?"
And he would invite himself out to dinner with us when we hit the local all-you-can-eat place but wouldn't eat anything. I would have to explain to the ajjuma that this guy was with us but he wouldn't be eating, so please don't bill him. A pain in the ass...
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Koreabound2004
Joined: 19 Nov 2003
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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I have met a lot of cheap people here....want to save money for home, paying debts, want to travel....somewhat understandable...but a line has to be drawn.
I am tired of other teachers skipping out on their share of cab fare(I don't have change, pay ya later, never happens).
Dinners, they split it equally, even if all parties didn't drink alcohol...or eat the more expensive meals....
Or we all contribute to buy a few pitchers, and some people drink much more than others, but pay the same....
Couple of instances that I can think of anyways.... |
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Yaya

Joined: 25 Feb 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 4:29 am Post subject: |
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| crazylemongirl wrote: |
| Zark wrote: |
Be careful about picking your "friends" - these guys I wouldn't want to even be in the same room with.
A friend got me my current job - I owe him big time. I've made sure that I have always paid my way and more - and treated him on numerous occasions. And it was over two years ago he got the job for me. I still remember his favor - I hope I can pay it back some day.
EFL is such a small world - and you are right - a lot of it is about back scratching and helping each other. You never know when the guy you helped (or shorted) is hiring for the next job you'd like . . . in a paradise location . . . |
actually that's true of any profession. It's not what you know, it's who you know. |
Dude, you should just let it go. I'm sure you've already repaid him more than you had to.
Yeah, the cheapos abound in Korea. A lot of teachers here just assume the Koreans will pay and don't even try chip in at all (most of whom I heard are Canadian but I digress). |
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paperbag princess

Joined: 07 Mar 2004 Location: veggie hell
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 4:54 am Post subject: |
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there are some serious cheapos here, but there are also some very generous people. i generally befriend the type of people who are like me. i don't count pennies. i have people over for dinner. my sofa is always welcome for a friend. what goes around, comes around. be generous and people will be generous with you.
in montreal, the attitude is that if you invite, it's your bill. i like it that way. but sometimes if i've invited someone several times (more than five) and they don't reciporcate, then they don't get invited again. it's simple really. |
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Sooke

Joined: 12 Jan 2004 Location: korea
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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Last Christmas, about 15 foreigners from my work went out for beef kalbi. We ate and drank like kings. So, after getting a bellyfull of delicious beef, not to mention baek-sae-ju, soju, and beer, the bill per person was ridiculously low-something like 13,000 won each. (No way you're eating that much beef and getting a buzz for 13 bucks back home-that's for dizzamn sho').
Anyway, this tool that works with us says "y'know, I think I only ate about 8,000 won worth". We razzed him and shamed him but he did not give in. So a few of us had to kick in an extra 'chunner', no big deal. So anyway, this dilhole pulls out his wallet, and it's so fat with cash it can hardly be folded to it's natural shape. He had like 600,000 won cash on him at the resturant.
Needless to say, we still rip on him for that, and he's not joined us for dinner since. What a tool.
Another dude that used to work with us was totally cheap with his girlfriend. When he'd go in to the city to visit her, he'd make her pay the bus fare to and from. As well, he would never pay for dinners or ant entertainment when together. He went to Thailand with her, but he had more time off, and so was staying longer. He convinced her to stay longer, so she had to cancell her return ticket, and he said he'd buy her a new one, cuz he was rolling in cash. Anyway, she paid for a new ticket (she lost a lot of money on that deal, but did it because she thought he'd help her out). Anyway, he didn't pay shiz-nit, and then dumped her when he came home.
Actual quote after me picking up a 10,900 won brick (1kg) of cheese at costco for him: "10,900 won for cheese. That's a bit steep, I wanna see the receipt." Before he left the school, he left a man won on my desk. |
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Sooke

Joined: 12 Jan 2004 Location: korea
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Don't even get me started on the amount of times other foreigners have ripped me or my group of friends off with the pitchers. Fool me thirty-one times, shame on you. Fool me thirty-two times, shame on me. |
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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Posted: Fri Apr 22, 2005 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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| I hate cheap people. Thank god the other foreign teacher I work with is not cheap. We usually take turns paying for a night out, sometimes I don't have enough cash in my wallet so I cover him and sometimes he doesn't have enough cash so I cover for him but by the sounds of things foreigners are supper cheap. I will not argue over 300 won, I don't think 30 cents will break the bank. |
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Yaya

Joined: 25 Feb 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2005 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Sooke wrote: |
| Don't even get me started on the amount of times other foreigners have ripped me or my group of friends off with the pitchers. Fool me thirty-one times, shame on you. Fool me thirty-two times, shame on me. |
Have you had foreigners including gyopos who will join a party and drink and eat, and then say, "I have another appointment, see you later" and not pay jack? I remember one gyopo did this all the time. And then you have the gyopo women who clamor for equal rights in Korea, yet just assume guys will pay the bill for dinner or other spots.
Yeah, REAL tough being a woman in Korea. |
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Apple Scruff
Joined: 29 Oct 2003
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Or we all contribute to buy a few pitchers, and some people drink much more than others, but pay the same. |
Actually, what you're saying here would be my definition of being cheap. It's always a bit lame when the night ends with someone saying "okay, uh, so YOU had this much, and YOU had this much, and I only only had THIS much, so....well, I think I shouldn't have to pay so much." If you want to do that, that's fine - we'll work out the ratios, but you've essentially demolished that unspoken agreement between friends that says "Hey, it's no problem - I'll get this one, you get the next one." In fact, what you're saying is exactly the opposite of what would be traditionally acceptable in a Korean social situation. |
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Hanson

Joined: 20 Oct 2004
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Agreed! |
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Swiss James

Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Location: Shanghai
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Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2005 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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See this is the flipside of the coin though-
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I am tired of other teachers skipping out on their share of cab fare(I don't have change, pay ya later, never happens).
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Yes fair enough, but then if the cab fair is 3,000 won- how long are you going to stand on the side of the street whilst someone sees if they have a chun note, or gets the coins out?
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Dinners, they split it equally, even if all parties didn't drink alcohol...or eat the more expensive meals....
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When you split equally, and eat individually, some people inevitably pay more. The alternative is to get out a calculator and work out exact shares, or ask everyone "What are you getting?" and try and order something of the same value.
("Hmm if he's getting the steak then I can probably get the chicken and a starter- oh but then he might have a drink whilst I'm eating my soup.."
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Or we all contribute to buy a few pitchers, and some people drink much more than others, but pay the same....
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I drink fast, some people drink slow so whenever I split pitchers with people it often ends up that I spend the whole time waiting for them to finish their beer before I feel comfortable pouring out another round. Annoying. I'd rather drink bottles, because then when I get one for me, I get one for you, and if at the end of the night you've got a queue of bottles in front of you, at least you can't call me cheap. |
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