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Daechidong Waygookin



Joined: 22 Nov 2004
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rock is just pissed at being a Taiwan failure who is failing in Korea. Damn those Asians eh? Nothing wrong with Rock, its all those bad Asians invading our white strongholds and debasing our superior white culture. Right Rock?
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dulouz



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread is gonna be tedious because you can't get past your shrill accusations. Its unfortunate because we need to investigate this matter. Don't try to validate or invalidate my actions by evaluating my reasons for being here. It doesn't work. Why are you here helping out the racist Asians get even more of the world's economy? Get off that train of thought, it really goes nowhere. This place is a racists paradise. Whites only kind of white looking girls. I'm amazed by white guys here that will insist they are not racist and then offer proof of such claim by showing a long list of Asian girlfriends that they have had. That might be proof but I also don't see these same men out with females of African ancestry when they had similar dating opportunities. I really think skin color has something to do with that.
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Daechidong Waygookin



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What issue needs to be investigated? I see no issue worthy of investigating.

The fact of the matter is, suburbs are a wasteland of brain dead zombies. How can that be undermined? It can only be enriched.

The fact that people can see a problem with this is a clear indication of racism.

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Why are you here helping out the racist Asians get even more of the world's economy


And this is a problem how?
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dulouz



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gaining more of the economy means more control. More control over who they hire, more control over where they invest more control over who benefits from the excess. Thats why. If Detroit had one more assmebly line, they could evangalize on the benefits on multiculturalism to that assemby line but when the line is shifted to Asia that employee session will likely be another round of saki or soju instead.

I'm sorry but I find it perverse that my racial, ethnic and cultural history is being engineered, planned and managed by a dweeb civil servant in Washington DC. I prefer not to partake in it.
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jajdude



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

peppermint wrote:
Schwa- you've never been to Newfoundland I take it?. My mother's highest compliment is, " They're just like ourselves, sure." and I wish I was joking about that.


You know what, I agree. The similarity of the insularity gives me incredulity!

But man it is crowded here and empty there. And the food's a bit different. And not many "noraebongs" in NL.

Essentially though it is also a world unto itself. It's just that when yr a fish you don't notice the water nor find other fish unusual. But when a land creature enters the water...............

still I met many land creatures in NL. I just wonder about many korean adults who really have never interacted with non-fish.
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AdamH



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 8:42 am    Post subject: Re: Undermining Your Culture Reply with quote

Rock wrote:
I'm just wondering if you feel your culture is somehow undermined by your existence here?


Ha! I almost spat my tea over the monitor when I read that. I'm from Britain. If anywhere in the world is going to undermine "my" culture, it's right back there.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry dulouz but your posts in this thread are simply racist and prejudicial.

There is no way around that however much you wrap it up in niceties and language. The racism shined through loud and clear.

You have every right to your opinion of course. You have the right to feel that diversity is bad. Thats your right.

Conversly, others on here have the right to enjoy diversity and see the beauty of it. These people also have the right to gag at the backwards race uniformity card you are playing. It is sad in this day and age that anyone would feel that skin color makes people more compatible to live together. Why? Because that is just a dumb idea.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homer wrote:

Your from Montreal man?

Cool, I did my grad degree there....loved it, what a great city.


now, now, homer. no need to humour the guy. we all know montreal is crap.
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Alias



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dulouz,

Are you also opposed to interracial dating?
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Tiger Beer



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 5:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Undermining Your Culture Reply with quote

Rock wrote:
I'm just wondering if you feel your culture is somehow undermined by your existence here? Of course most of us feel we're at odds with the Korean culture, and the Koreans, our own. But I'm referring to the memories of your upbringing, your sense of where you came from and what you've believed as a kid, your way of life, and whether you think that this will ever again be the same?

I'm talking basically of that Western lifestyle, the white neighborhoods, the 'burbs. All that seems to be a culture in itself, now dying or dead. It's not that I'm into racist reasoning. But now that I've been in Korea/Asia, I've begun to think a good majority of us are being surpassed and usurped, our culture and hometowns being inundated by people I'd never even seen as a kid. Yeah, I'd lived near Chicago, seen a few Blacks/Mexicans/Chinese. What I'm talking about here is a whole transformation of some of the Western ideals of that way of life where I'd felt a majority, where the majority of middle class felt there was succes equated with living in a nice home. Nowadays, I feel like many whites and their cultural cohesiveness are becoming marginalized, many of the beliefs being ousted for those seeking just status and not community, and this sometimes in the name of fecetious factors such as pay and prestige.

About being here, however, I don't think I could ever return to the 'burbs' and live in a white world, although I'd like to say, I doubt it will continue to exist. Being here has somehow changed my perceptions of the past.

Yet this is not supposed to be about whites, nor any race. What I'm wondering is whether you feel that the culture you'd been brought up in, if it be white, is somehow being lost. The reason I think of this is because of all the homogeneity here, and in Asia, and the hodge-podge American mentality back home.

Either fortunately or unfortunately I've NEVER lived in a suburb. NEVER grew up in one, NEVER moved to one, have NO living experience whatsoever with them except driving through them.

I always found it strange when people assume that all white people come from there.

I grew up in rural areas and spent my entire adult life in urban areas.

Regarding suburbs and non-white people moving into them.. fine.. I never liked suburbs.. and things should be the other way around anyways. The urban experience is better.. and white people are "moving into" non-white areas in the urban landscapes and non-white people seem to want to flee into suburbs for the opposite reasons. Fine with me. Much prefer the urban experience.
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dogbert



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dulouz wrote:
Gaining more of the economy means more control. More control over who they hire, more control over where they invest more control over who benefits from the excess. Thats why. If Detroit had one more assmebly line, they could evangalize on the benefits on multiculturalism to that assemby line but when the line is shifted to Asia that employee session will likely be another round of saki or soju instead.

I'm sorry but I find it perverse that my racial, ethnic and cultural history is being engineered, planned and managed by a dweeb civil servant in Washington DC. I prefer not to partake in it.


I agree.
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bignate



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that Dulouz and Rock have brought up legitimate concerns about living abroad and the state of culture and intigration in many of the countries which we live, and it has now been rhetorically simplified to racism. Though I find their ideas about diversity somewhat closeminded, and perhaps a bit prejudicial, I would hardly call them racist. They both have brought up legitimate points about self identification and diversity, and I think that by simply calling them racists we have lost the point. Many people are comfortable with diversity, but there are many more who are not - it is a complicated problem that is hardly helped with the constant playing of the racist card.

It has been hypothesized that within our own natures, we tend to gravitate towards those who we most feel comfortable with and conversely are repelled or feel a certain discomfort with those who are different than ourselves, it is an anthropomorphism based on eons of conditioning. This simply could mean that we enjoy hanging out with people who share similar interests, cultures, or even skin colours. Many people tend to gravitate towards the unfamiliar as well, some might say they prefer the "exotic". Why is it any better to shun those with different ideals, to react hostile, rather than to try an intelligent discourse about these difference. I don't suppose that we should support racist attitudes, however, as I mentioned, their attitudes are hardly racist, only perhaps a bit more intolerent than we feel comfortable with, but at least they are honest enought to admit them, and that is an important step in opening debate. Why everyone chooses to flat out attack them is beyond me.

The fact of the matter is that as individuals we make individual decisions in life. I think Rock and Dulouz stated their individual opinions towards how they feel about diversity. Did they argue that people of different cultures are inferior to their own, or that they hated those cultures? No, they felt that there were negatives associated with diversity - and I defy anyone of you to say that there aren't.

Do I believe in segregation, no, and my posts on the subject should prove that, however, I will always admit there are problems when different cultures come together and that is a hurdle we will always have to overcome.

I look back at the posts and see some points of interest:

Alias wrote:
Dulouz,

Are you also opposed to interracial dating?


I will leave Dulouz to answer this, if he still is willing to; I also have a question of my own:

If a person, say a Waygookin, is opposed to dating a person of his own culture or race, does this make him racist - can one be racist against ones own race?

I mean I have seen many people write in no uncertain terms that they would never date a person of their own race. So, in the interest of qualifying the above statements - are they racist or are they prejudiced?
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Koreabound2004



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homer wrote:
Sorry dulouz but your posts in this thread are simply racist and prejudicial.

There is no way around that however much you wrap it up in niceties and language. The racism shined through loud and clear.

You have every right to your opinion of course. You have the right to feel that diversity is bad. Thats your right.

Conversly, others on here have the right to enjoy diversity and see the beauty of it. These people also have the right to gag at the backwards race uniformity card you are playing. It is sad in this day and age that anyone would feel that skin color makes people more compatible to live together. Why? Because that is just a dumb idea.



I completely agree with you Homer. Well said.
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Rock



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This has nothing to do with racism but has to do with the death of a culture. Albeit some equate this with racism, this is not the case for me, since I am in Korea and wouldn't by any means be here if I'd thought differently.

I feel that some of my culture is losing its ground. Is there no Western culture extending to the suburbs, no culture at all in the 'burbs? Well then, what's the American Dream all about, the idea of raising kids in safe neighborhoods, in crime free enclaves, in more decent schools? What is there to the work ethic, or to standards to live by that places like Catholic schools, and yeah, even those private, offer those kids in the 'burbs? Do you think you'll find this in the inner-cities? Isn't this the life that many immigrants like ourselves see as the best for themselves?

To imply otherwise, like Kirk and Waegukin have done, is just to prove this point. They're implying-rather stereotypically, and as for Dulouz's comments, unfactually- there IS no white-Western culture and anyone who speaks as such must be racist. Then they imply integration and intermingling but these ideas, in themselves, must imply they think, or rather that there is, or was, some superiority or racial distinction between their race and others.

Come on Kirk and Waeguk. You both put your foot in your mouths. The main gist of this post is to imply the ideals of the culture I've been used to are now either dying or defunct, and yes, I feel a lot of what you experience here adds to this demise by allowing you to think that your culture has had no significance but economically, which is what many outside this cultural clime may crave.


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Blind Willie



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2005 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wait wait wait!

"Our" culture?

Would that be the immigrant culture? The one that has taken aspects of each incoming group and added it to the whole? The one that has been so successful that it stands astride the globe? The one that most nations on earth are trying to emulate? The culture that we're all over here, spreading to the locals?

Nah, I'm not worried about it being underminded by any outside force. People inside "our" culture deciding that the aspects they like of it are what's best for everyone, and wish to freeze society in a certain point in time, those people worry me.
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