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billybrobby



Joined: 09 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2005 10:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Magical foreigner power Reply with quote

jajdude wrote:
Not wanted... conversations among Koreans shift into mentions of English, or they try their lousy English merely because you are near...

god what a bunch of insecure/immature people.


yeah, I can't stand it either. then i go cry my eyes out on some message board. it's the hallmark of a secure, mature person.
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, just venting. The place grinds one down sometimes because this kind of thing happens every day, or often enough to get on the nerves. I think I just feel uncomfortable lately and sensitive to the "buzz" and "reaction" my presence seems to generate. It doesn't bother me all the time, but sometimes, just like other foreigners, it makes me want to stay in my room. The skin isn't always thick, esp. when one is feeling down. Don't many foreigners feel weirded out by this at times? They talk amongst themselves but the content of their chat is influenced by your (foreign--- assumed English-speaking) proximity. I find it annoying.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 2:55 am    Post subject: Re: Magical foreigner power Reply with quote

jajdude wrote:
Not wanted... conversations among Koreans shift into mentions of English, or they try their lousy English merely because you are near...

god what a bunch of insecure/immature people.


Errrr... what's your complaint exactly? The people we came to teach English are trying to, you know, practice it? If you were studying Japanese in Toronto and you sat next to a table of Japanese tourists, you wouldn't try and practice your Japanese with them?

If someone tries their English on me, I just assume they're being, like, friendly. You would assume you're being friendly to the hypothetical Japanese tourists. No? We complain our students don't speak the English we teach them but we complain when people use it? I don't get it...
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agraham



Joined: 19 Aug 2004
Location: Daegu, Korea

PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jajdude wrote:
Don't many foreigners feel weirded out by this at times?


Not so much that I would write a whiny borderline-racist article about it.

Sorry dude, but these guys are just living their lives. So they bug you unintentionally. Then they go home and forget about you, and you go and trash talk them anonymously. Who is insecure/immature here?
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok I admit I am immature and insecure too. That's why it bugs me sometimes.

I am not talking about them practicing with me. I am talking about how much power I have to influence their conversations with each other. I just find it weird.

But I guess if they saw a policeman they might start talking about legal things, or an elephant, wow, look an elephant. Or why is that kyopo speaking English with a white guy? What if one walked around in a baseball uniform?

Ok now I'm just being silly. Please forgive my madness. I'm having trouble with sanity lately. been here too long.
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Mashimaro



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: location, location

PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jajdude wrote:
Ok I admit I am immature and insecure too. That's why it bugs me sometimes.

I am not talking about them practicing with me. I am talking about how much power I have to influence their conversations with each other. I just find it weird.

But I guess if they saw a policeman they might start talking about legal things, or an elephant, wow, look an elephant. Or why is that kyopo speaking English with a white guy? What if one walked around in a baseball uniform?

Ok now I'm just being silly. Please forgive my madness. I'm having trouble with sanity lately. been here too long.


koreans care much less about you than you think. If your foreigner power is limited to people spitting out a few words of english in your presence then it hardly classifies as 'power'.
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peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most of the time I either wouldn't notice that kind of thing, or just be mildly amused, but it happened this morning and was actually a little dangerous.

On my way to school today, I'd said hello to the crossing guard while I and some students were waiting to cross the street. One little girl tried to cross the street when a car was coming and the guard yelled "STOP!". Would a child in grade 1 understand what that meant?

Just playing Devil's advocate here.
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inthewild



Joined: 28 Mar 2004
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

peppermint wrote:
Most of the time I either wouldn't notice that kind of thing, or just be mildly amused, but it happened this morning and was actually a little dangerous.

On my way to school today, I'd said hello to the crossing guard while I and some students were waiting to cross the street. One little girl tried to cross the street when a car was coming and the guard yelled "STOP!". Would a child in grade 1 understand what that meant?

Just playing Devil's advocate here.


In this particular case, maybe she would. Konglish maybe? My Korean friends use the word and say Koreans know it. And I heard a Korean security guard use it the other night when directing the movements of a vehicle (Korean driving, they didn't see I was around). He said it more like ���� but anyways... I know you're devil's advocate but yeah.
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello, Jajdude!

I'm kinda sorry you backed down.
Maybe you should have stood up and fought.

For further discussion on this, see a message which I just posted on the subject:

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?p=535821#535821
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Tiberious aka Sparkles



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: I'm one cool cat!

PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tomato wrote:
You've probably heard that the people in Hell can't bend their arms to feed themselves. So they sit at the dinner table and starve.
The people in Heaven can't bend their arms either, so they feed each other across the table.

As I see it, the English students in South Korea are like the people in Hell.
They are surrounded by millions of other English students, but they won't practice English with each other.


well said.

Sparkles*_*
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billybrobby



Joined: 09 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although I made fun of him in my last post, I hear what jajdude is saying. There is a little bit of a vibe, a bit of extra attention, that follows you around in Korea. But I gotta say it's pretty slight, at least where I live. People in Seoul just ignore me 95% of the time.

There are moments when gets to be too much. Like when I'm walking to get in line for the bus, and I'm moving through the line of sight of everybody who's already in line (maybe 70 people), and I'm thinking, "man, I wish I was a small asian girl right now." It's not that the Korean people are staring at me, probably most don't even notice me in any major way, but sometimes I wanna be more anonymous.

but then it's so easy to turn the attention into positive things like extra help at a store or free drinks or something. so you can't complain too much about it.
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The Great Toad



Joined: 12 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Come on now almost every time I go out some kids / adults near by say to each other in Korean " You should say to him... English "Nice to met you... say to him / ask "Where are you from" Often they do no actually even bother to say this to me and me getting mildly amused and elevated I often say - Hey Wutsup. Then they go... " yongo Wuts up Molaaoo to each other then I say Hi they say Hello...

Of course if the said individuals are parents with a cute kid / I motion to the parents if it's ok to shake their hands and say, "ok shake?" - the parents then say to kid... shakkkaah hand... then they sometimes say "Poy Po." and the cute little cute kisses my hand like I'm the Pope... Which in fact is not far from my real status as I am ... A Toad of Royal Blood ...

The Jeju Prince
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squat toilet



Joined: 08 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Come on now almost every time I go out some kids / adults near by say to each other in Korean " You should say to him... English "Nice to met you... say to him / ask "Where are you from" Often they do no actually even bother to say this to me and me getting mildly amused and elevated I often say - Hey Wutsup. Then they go... " yongo Wuts up Molaaoo to each other then I say Hi they say Hello...

Of course if the said individuals are parents with a cute kid / I motion to the parents if it's ok to shake their hands and say, "ok shake?" - the parents then say to kid... shakkkaah hand... then they sometimes say "Poy Po." and the cute little cute kisses my hand like I'm the Pope... Which in fact is not far from my real status as I am ... A Toad of Royal Blood ...

The Jeju Prince


What the hell is your deal anyways man?
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

squat toilet wrote:
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Come on now almost every time I go out some kids / adults near by say to each other in Korean " You should say to him... English "Nice to met you... say to him / ask "Where are you from" Often they do no actually even bother to say this to me and me getting mildly amused and elevated I often say - Hey Wutsup. Then they go... " yongo Wuts up Molaaoo to each other then I say Hi they say Hello...

Of course if the said individuals are parents with a cute kid / I motion to the parents if it's ok to shake their hands and say, "ok shake?" - the parents then say to kid... shakkkaah hand... then they sometimes say "Poy Po." and the cute little cute kisses my hand like I'm the Pope... Which in fact is not far from my real status as I am ... A Toad of Royal Blood ...

The Jeju Prince


What the hell is your deal anyways man?


Seconded. His drunken posts from Thailand are a colorful read. I keep wanting to parody them.
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2005 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tomato wrote:
Hello, Jajdude!

I'm kinda sorry you backed down.
Maybe you should have stood up and fought.

]


Backed down from what? There's nothing to fight about. I just like to complain and receive attention when I feel unhappy, which is more often than I'd like.
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