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Teufelswacht
Joined: 06 Sep 2004
Location: Land Of The Not Quite Right
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 Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| R. S. Refugee wrote: |
| Teufelswacht wrote: |
...The complaints from his usual supporters are getting somewhat louder as he seeks to, in their opinion, betray (their words, not mine) his base supporters. One has to get beyond the rhetoric and see what, exactly, is being done. |
In what ways to you believe he is ignoring his supporters and moving towards the center? |
This is off the top of my head. I just don't have time to get the links for you right now. But persusing conservative commentators and websites is proving interesting about the growing disaffection as Bush moves to the middle. As I scan commentators, news articles and the like around the net I am seeing the same complaints being voiced. Namely, Bush is betraying his supporters, they feel, with regards to:
Immigration reform.
Domestic Spending (Cue the song "Hey, Big Spender") He has had to compromise with Democrats on spending (even courting Ted Kennedy to get his education bill considered).
Willingness to compromise and water down tax cuts and increase spending on domestic programs. Yes , there have been some high profile cuts in spending. However, according to what I am reading, overall spending for social programs is actually increasing.
Tepid support and willingness to compromise on The Federal Marriage Amendment. I find it humorous that the only federal legislation passed and signed that goes along with conservative views was the Defense of Marriage Act signed into law under Clinton (Clintons move toward the center is really evident in the second term of his administration -unfortunately we don't have the luxury of hindsight with Bush - yet).
Little if any concrete action on the abortion issue.
Stem cell research
His support for Sharon's disengagement has alienated the conservative Jewish vote in the U.S. (I know it's not domestic, but it affects a block courted by Bush/Rove)
Overall, R.S., from what I am reading and what I have seen, the move towards the center by Bush is being noticed and those staunch supporters are starting to grumble. Of course, the most vocal and most newsworthy to some are the Evangelical Christians who realized their knight in shining armour is nothing more than the usual opportunistic politician who used them, abused them and is now disregarding them.
I am constantly reading how Bush talked a good game but has no concrete results to show. This is because, IMHO, of the natural movement towards the center of any administration during the second term. The need to compromise with the other side of the political aisle is a necessary requirement as a preseident, any president, seeks to "leave a legacy." This compromise by members of both parties invariably ends up in the middle. IMHO American politics will swing left and right but, given enough time, will always end up in the middle.
I would invite you to start reading conservative publications to see what they are saying about Bush. I think you would be surprised in some cases.
I'm willing to bet that at the end of Bush's second term we will be able to lay the second terms of the Clinton and Bush administrations side-by-side and we'll see stiking similarities. It's just the nature of the beast.
Take care
Teufelswacht |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 5:55 am Post subject: |
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I don't see the movement toward the center. I do see the Right putting up a big howl to prevent Bush from doing so (as if he really wanted to). Kinda like the kid howling before the doctor gives him a shot.
The ways Bush has betrayed the Right is by creating a huge new federal bureaucracy with Homeland Defense, intervening in an historic way in education (No Child Left Behind) and that new medical bill thing (can't think of the name of it right now). In the old days, the Right would have screamed bloody murder at the current deficit, but fiscal conservatism seems to have gone out the window. |
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Teufelswacht
Joined: 06 Sep 2004
Location: Land Of The Not Quite Right
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| Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 8:56 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
I don't see the movement toward the center. I do see the Right putting up a big howl to prevent Bush from doing so (as if he really wanted to). Kinda like the kid howling before the doctor gives him a shot.
The ways Bush has betrayed the Right is by creating a huge new federal bureaucracy with Homeland Defense, intervening in an historic way in education (No Child Left Behind) and that new medical bill thing (can't think of the name of it right now). In the old days, the Right would have screamed bloody murder at the current deficit, but fiscal conservatism seems to have gone out the window. |
Well, I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I tell you what, why don't we agree to pick up this discussion again in about 3.5 years  |
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drcrazy
Joined: 19 Feb 2003
Location: Pusan. Yes, that's right. Pusan NOT Busan. I ain't never been to no place called Busan
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 6:59 am Post subject: |
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| Teufelswacht wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
I don't see the movement toward the center. I do see the Right putting up a big howl to prevent Bush from doing so (as if he really wanted to). Kinda like the kid howling before the doctor gives him a shot.
The ways Bush has betrayed the Right is by creating a huge new federal bureaucracy with Homeland Defense, intervening in an historic way in education (No Child Left Behind) and that new medical bill thing (can't think of the name of it right now). In the old days, the Right would have screamed bloody murder at the current deficit, but fiscal conservatism seems to have gone out the window. |
Well, I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I tell you what, why don't we agree to pick up this discussion again in about 3.5 years |
Great Idea. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 8:04 am Post subject: |
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| drcrazy wrote: |
| Teufelswacht wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
I don't see the movement toward the center. I do see the Right putting up a big howl to prevent Bush from doing so (as if he really wanted to). Kinda like the kid howling before the doctor gives him a shot.
The ways Bush has betrayed the Right is by creating a huge new federal bureaucracy with Homeland Defense, intervening in an historic way in education (No Child Left Behind) and that new medical bill thing (can't think of the name of it right now). In the old days, the Right would have screamed bloody murder at the current deficit, but fiscal conservatism seems to have gone out the window. |
Well, I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I tell you what, why don't we agree to pick up this discussion again in about 3.5 years |
Great Idea. |
Seems like Teufelswacht was pretty accurate. |
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