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Plume D'ella Plumeria



Joined: 10 Jan 2005
Location: The Lost Horizon

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a big fan of diplomacy and will choose it over confrontation everytime, if there is a way. I will also admit that there are times when nothing short of confrontation will do - but that's a drastic measure, best saved for drastic times.

I hated the last (ever!) hakwon I worked in and hated the hypocritical spotty-faced directress even more. I hated the curriculum, the inflexibility of the teaching style demanded and about a thousand other things. When I left after two and a half miserable months, I wrote the most pleasant and polite letter of resignation that I could muster up. I gave the proper notice, expressed regrets that things didn't seem to be working out, made vague noises about how my teaching style didn't seem to meld with what they were looking for and how as a non-Christian working in a "Christian" hakwon (unbeknownst to me when I was hired), I was just the tiniest bit uncomfortable with the praying and the evangelizing that went on. I got the letter of release, no problem and la directress and I even spent the last thirty days exchanging forced smiles and pretending that we didn't hate each other. I'm sure they were thrilled to have the anit-Christ out of their midst and I was thrilled to be away from the exploitative sweatshop that the "Christians" were running.

Moral of story: lie like a rug, make nice, be a phony little sellout for a month or so. It won't kill you and it may well just net you what you need - the all-powerful letter of release. Which, if I am understanding things correctly, they are NOT legally required to provide no matter how much notice you give them. Most of them WILL provide it if you give the proper notice and try to keep things civil, but if things DO turn nasty, they COULD refuse the letter. If I have this right, that is another reason to keep things civil.
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Squid



Joined: 25 Jul 2003
Location: Sunny Anyang

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had two reasons for giving notice my last full-time position:

1. I wanted to spend more time with my family
2. The manager was a complete effing wingnut

No prizes for which I used in the letter of resignation. Fortunately the F2 allows me absence of LOR.

Honesty will get you further.
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Plume D'ella Plumeria



Joined: 10 Jan 2005
Location: The Lost Horizon

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I don't suppose honesty is going to be too detrimental if you've got the F-2 visa and don't need the LOR. For those unlucky folk with the more modest E-2, who depend upon the LOR in order to move on, blunt honesty in the form of telling your boss he's an effing wingnut could prove a bit problematic in securing the LOR.
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Badmojo



Joined: 07 Mar 2004
Location: I'm just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zyzyfer wrote:
Yu Bum Suk's letter sounded hostile but we'll just have to see what he has to report about the results.

I would go with the curriculum issue, or discuss location issues, something that makes it sound like you're trying to further yourself on.


If I were the OP and I were in a hagwon teaching children, I'd simply say I'm burnt out teaching them. I've had enough of it. I've been doing it for x amount of years and that's it, I can't do it anymore. My next job will be with adults and adults only. Now whether that's true or not is beside the point.

I just don't think confrontation and hostility is the way to go when you're asking for something they don't have to give you. Knowing Koreans, they'll just shake their head and say, "You're quitting, you're breaking the contract, and now you're disrespecting me? Fine, but you're not staying in my country", which they know you can't do without the LOR.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed May 18, 2005 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My hogwan is doing nothing short of defrauding parents in some cases. There are some classes that are great where I can't find enough ways to reward them - and then there are a few where no one will learn anything until certain disciplinary problems are attended to. I have one with two 15-year-olds who have been coming since Kindergarten and still can't put a sentence together.

Put it this way, if you were a mechanic would you work for a shop that fixed cars with duct tape and then charged customers a premium? Would you work as a banker for a company that was defrauding investors? Then why, if you have any self-respect or take any pride in your work would you work for a hogwan that tells every parent everything is excellent all the time when their kids aren't learning anything but that they can get away with being insolent and rude? I work for a cheater and a liar, and as far as I'm concerned I've been more than polite enough, and you would not believe some of the shit I've put up with in the classroom without losing my temper. My boss has said he'll give me a release letter and if he doesn't there will be some very perplexed parents after I phone them with a bilingual Korean friend.
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crazykiwi



Joined: 07 Jun 2003
Location: new zealand via daejeon

PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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he can go find some Kiwi yob to play games with the kids


I beg your pardon??? Evil or Very Mad

you are a *beep*, who sounds like he can't handle a classroom situation where there are unruly children. Maybe you need to go back back to "teaching school" and learn how to control your children, make them motivated to do your work, make your lesson more interesting so they want ot participate. You must have had some bad experiences with "kiwi yobs" to make that kind of statement. I actually find it insulting, so keep your nasty comments to yourself next time!
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FUBAR



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: The Y.C.

PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yu_Bum_suk wrote:

Put it this way, if you were a mechanic would you work for a shop that fixed cars with duct tape and then charged customers a premium? Would you work as a banker for a company that was defrauding investors? .


Unless you have a Master's in Tesol, you should be comparing yourself to the aforementioned people.

Your threads to call the parents are going to fall on deaf ears as well. In fact, if there's some sort of damages clause in your contract, the director is going to use it to suck every last cent from your final paycheck. And he will be justified to do it as well.
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guangho



Joined: 19 Jan 2005
Location: a spot full of deception, stupidity, and public micturation and thus unfit for longterm residency

PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would write 2 letters. The one you would like to send and the one you will send. Notice the subtle differences.


Letter #1

Dear Dr. Goose*beep*er:

I am hereby resigning my position as the white monkey in chief of ADD Konglish Academy. There are numerous reasons for this, including your craptastic textbooks, morally degenerate management and the utterly loathsome offspring who befoul the corridors of this wretched hole.
Mere words cannot express the extent of my disdain for you. I can only hope that someday when your physical invalidity matches your present state of mental and moral regression, the greedy unholy fucks you have spawned will put you in a Japanese nursing home off the coast of Takeshima where you will be gang-raped on an hourly basis by orderlies in Godzilla masks while being forced to watch Barney the purple dinosaur on the tube.
Oh Dear Sweet Lord how I despise you.
If the Letter of Release is not forthcoming within 30 days I will spoonfeed you a gallon of lye while you are tied to your chair. Let me repeat: I hate you, I hate you, I hate you, Sweet Lord Almighty how I hate you.


Letter #2

Dear Dr. Kim:

It has been an honor to be employed by you at this fine Institute but I must ask that you grant me a letter of release at your earliest convenience. I think we both know that the children of the Institute deserve a more experienced instructor than myself. I have learned a great deal about myself and about teaching during these last few months and I am thankful and honored that you have granted me the privilige of working at Ding Dang Dong Institute.

I have attached, for your convenience, a sample letter of release which is written in Korean and English. Please sign and stamp with your dojang at the earliest possible time. Again, I want to express my appreciation for the opportunity you have given me and I sincerely hope that you will find an instructor worthy of the stature of this Institute.

Sincerely yours,
Yu Bum Suk
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buymybook



Joined: 21 Feb 2005
Location: Telluride

PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

soviet_man wrote:
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What a horrible letter of resignation. Is there any need to be so confrontational??


Yes.

I like his letter of resignation.

Infact, I would also type-up and print a Letter of Release, so all your boss would have to do is sign it.

If they failed to sign it, I personally would sit in their office and refuse to leave until they DID sign it.

Don't ever give your employer the satisfaction of getting away with violations to YOUR rights as a worker.


It's obviously the OP's choice on any type of letter to write and give to the owner but if you don't know how to deliver then all could fail. Send a CERTIFIED 30 DAY NOTICE LETTER THROUGH THE MAIL! You may get a real doinkster that tries to say he never received the letter even after they sign.

This is what my past hagwon owner told the Judge...

"DUH, I never got it his counter-lawsuit!"

Judge says..."but I have your signiture right here from the post office for when you received it."

Hagwon owner..."DUH, DUH, DUH," and then laughs his way out of the court room. I was amazed at the total respect(HA) for the law this Korean showed!
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crazykiwi wrote:
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he can go find some Kiwi yob to play games with the kids


I beg your pardon??? Evil or Very Mad

you are a *beep*, who sounds like he can't handle a classroom situation where there are unruly children. Maybe you need to go back back to "teaching school" and learn how to control your children, make them motivated to do your work, make your lesson more interesting so they want ot participate. You must have had some bad experiences with "kiwi yobs" to make that kind of statement. I actually find it insulting, so keep your nasty comments to yourself next time!


Take a pill - I know some great Kiwis and have had some friends move to your beautiful Islands because they loved it so much when they visited, but I've also seen some here who obviously came from the bottom of the barrel. And trust me, I have some classes that wonderfully controlled where the kids whine that sometimes they get a Korean grammar teacher instead of me - in fact I have one I was able to turn around 180 degrees... well, maybe 160. I also have some juvenile delinquints - not unruly children - who have treated every foreign teacher like crap and the boss is fine with that. Are you looking for a job, by any chance?
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

guangho wrote:
I would write 2 letters. The one you would like to send and the one you will send. Notice the subtle differences.


Letter #1

Dear Dr. Goose*beep*er:

I am hereby resigning my position as the white monkey in chief of ADD Konglish Academy. There are numerous reasons for this, including your craptastic textbooks, morally degenerate management and the utterly loathsome offspring who befoul the corridors of this wretched hole.
Mere words cannot express the extent of my disdain for you. I can only hope that someday when your physical invalidity matches your present state of mental and moral regression, the greedy unholy *beep* you have spawned will put you in a Japanese nursing home off the coast of Takeshima where you will be gang-raped on an hourly basis by orderlies in Godzilla masks while being forced to watch Barney the purple dinosaur on the tube.
Oh Dear Sweet Lord how I despise you.
If the Letter of Release is not forthcoming within 30 days I will spoonfeed you a gallon of lye while you are tied to your chair. Let me repeat: I hate you, I hate you, I hate you, Sweet Lord Almighty how I hate you.


Letter #2

Dear Dr. Kim:

It has been an honor to be employed by you at this fine Institute but I must ask that you grant me a letter of release at your earliest convenience. I think we both know that the children of the Institute deserve a more experienced instructor than myself. I have learned a great deal about myself and about teaching during these last few months and I am thankful and honored that you have granted me the privilige of working at Ding Dang Dong Institute.

I have attached, for your convenience, a sample letter of release which is written in Korean and English. Please sign and stamp with your dojang at the earliest possible time. Again, I want to express my appreciation for the opportunity you have given me and I sincerely hope that you will find an instructor worthy of the stature of this Institute.

Sincerely yours,
Yu Bum Suk


LOL, the 'quiting' meeting was actually pretty civil, and I think he fully understood why I had enough, as I had warned him before hand that I was not going to work at an institution that acted that way. There's one class that the other FTs have just flat-out refused to teach and he knows damn well that real teachers are going to want to work at a real school.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 3:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

buymybook wrote:
soviet_man wrote:
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What a horrible letter of resignation. Is there any need to be so confrontational??


Yes.

I like his letter of resignation.

Infact, I would also type-up and print a Letter of Release, so all your boss would have to do is sign it.

If they failed to sign it, I personally would sit in their office and refuse to leave until they DID sign it.

Don't ever give your employer the satisfaction of getting away with violations to YOUR rights as a worker.


It's obviously the OP's choice on any type of letter to write and give to the owner but if you don't know how to deliver then all could fail. Send a CERTIFIED 30 DAY NOTICE LETTER THROUGH THE MAIL! You may get a real doinkster that tries to say he never received the letter even after they sign.

This is what my past hagwon owner told the Judge...

"DUH, I never got it his counter-lawsuit!"

Judge says..."but I have your signiture right here from the post office for when you received it."

Hagwon owner..."DUH, DUH, DUH," and then laughs his way out of the court room. I was amazed at the total respect(HA) for the law this Korean showed!


I've only contacted agents expressing an interest in Korea and nevertheless have had offers coming in from China. It's not like worst case scenario is a fatal one.
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 4:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FUBAR wrote
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Unless you have a Master's in Tesol, you should be comparing yourself to the aforementioned people.

Your threads to call the parents are going to fall on deaf ears as well. In fact, if there's some sort of damages clause in your contract, the director is going to use it to suck every last cent from your final paycheck. And he will be justified to do it as well.


What are you saying there Fubar? Only people with masters can have ethics?

How is some hogwon owner/director justified in stealing any money? If they bothered to run their businesses professionally I could see your point...BUT as most hogwans are simply money grubbing amatuer outfits they have no rights to any of my or anyone elses hard earned cash.
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would avoid being confrontational. Being nice works better usually. Unless the boss merits mention of potential "legal action" Question
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Hwajangsil Ajumma



Joined: 02 May 2005
Location: On my knees in the stall

PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2005 6:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

guangho wrote:
I would write 2 letters. The one you would like to send and the one you will send. Notice the subtle differences.


Letter #1

Dear Dr. Goose*beep*er:

I am hereby resigning my position as the white monkey in chief of ADD Konglish Academy. There are numerous reasons for this, including your craptastic textbooks, morally degenerate management and the utterly loathsome offspring who befoul the corridors of this wretched hole.
Mere words cannot express the extent of my disdain for you. I can only hope that someday when your physical invalidity matches your present state of mental and moral regression, the greedy unholy *beep* you have spawned will put you in a Japanese nursing home off the coast of Takeshima where you will be gang-raped on an hourly basis by orderlies in Godzilla masks while being forced to watch Barney the purple dinosaur on the tube.
Oh Dear Sweet Lord how I despise you.
If the Letter of Release is not forthcoming within 30 days I will spoonfeed you a gallon of lye while you are tied to your chair. Let me repeat: I hate you, I hate you, I hate you, Sweet Lord Almighty how I hate you.



Ha ha! Laughing

That's the best thing I've read all day! Made me feel even better than a whole line of that powdered bathroom scouring powder, and almost as good as a quart of pine fresh Toilet Duck.
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