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winnie

Joined: 08 May 2005 Location: the forest
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2005 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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>. Conspire to & successfully execute the bombing of a popular foreign nightclub killing hundreds ...
(Muslim cleric, Abu Bakar Bashir)
... and you receive a couple years. Find yourself with the "wrong plant" in your luggage & you're locked away for 20 years ?!?
If this is Indonesia's idea of "Justice", then true justice for Ms. Corby can only start by the WORLD ...
BOYCOTTING BALI ...
http://www.google.com/search?q=corrupt+indonesia+baggage+handlers
Even after that bombing i HAD thought of one day visiting Bali. Not any more.
Can anyone say email campaign ??? |
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shifty
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 3:30 am Post subject: |
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Was it packed in her hand luggage or the hold of the plane?
How do 4 kgs get into a lady's hand luggage? The notion that people get framed belongs in the movies, even in Indonesia.
We all know that an Indonesian jail is no place to be for a young lady to rot in and suffer so. It's just a juvenile mistake she made.
Maybe I don't understand why these "drugs" are taken so seriously. Is it because it is a stepping stone to hard stuff? All the kindly folk that I knew who did it (including myself) went unscathed.
As I write this, wonder how many sojus I've had.
I think we should try and get her outa there. |
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waterbaby

Joined: 01 Feb 2003 Location: Baking Gord a Cheescake pie
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 5:20 am Post subject: |
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shifty wrote: |
Was it packed in her hand luggage or the hold of the plane?
How do 4 kgs get into a lady's hand luggage? The notion that people get framed belongs in the movies, even in Indonesia. |
It was in her boogie board bag, checked in.
My understanding is that because she admitted to owning the bag, she therefore admitted to owning the dope - and there's no other way Indonesian law can look at this situation. Unless she can produce the person who put the dope in her bag, she's screwed.
There are another nine Australians in bali now on heroin traffiking charges and my guess is that a few of these guys will cop the full force of Indonesian law (death sentence) and after a lot of fuss & pressure, Schapelle will be pardoned & sent home.
This story has received sooo much media coverage. A number of surveys undertaken indicate that at least 90%of Australian believe she's innocent. I think it's held such a fascination for us as a nation because so many of us can look at her and believe that it could (or could have) happened to us.
There have been numerous arrests and sackings of airline baggage handlers following recent busts for cocaine smuggling. The same guys busted in this ring were working the same airport and same day of Schapelle's flight to Bali. A new business has sprung up at airports around the country - $7 to glad wrap your bags. Count me in.
There's also talks of a prisoner exchange program - sending back to Indonesia a handful of illegal fishermen caught in Australian waters in exchange for a handful of convicted Australian drug smugglers. I know I'd rather spend time in an Aussie gaol than in Indonesia. Mind you, if I was innocent I wouldn't want to spend a day in gaol anywhere!
I myself decided a long time ago never to take my tourist dollar to Indonesia (East Timor anyone?). I hope a lot more Australians follow suit. I read that a number of travel agencies have taken Bali off their lists and are encouraging people to go to Fiji instead.
shifty wrote: |
I think we should try and get her outa there. |
Me too. |
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase
Joined: 04 Nov 2003
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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I must confess that I had an emotional knee-jerk reaction to this issue. However, here is a fellow Australian who has had several emotional knee-jerk reactions to this subject for the exact opposite reasons:
http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=69515
It isn't just the opinion that amazes me, or even his sub-adolescent manner of expressing it, but rather the fact that he states that he is sick and tired of all the publicity and media hype ... then refuses to shut up about it himself.
Honestly, how defective is that? |
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yoda

Joined: 19 Jan 2003 Location: Incheon, South Korea
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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Even after that bombing i HAD thought of one day visiting Bali. Not any more. |
Which is exactly what the Bali bombers would hope for. Bali is largely Hindu. Java, which controls the show, is largely Muslim. The Balinese have paid in the past for being non-muslim and non-Golkar party.
Now, the Balinese do well with tourism in spite of all the crap sent their way by their Javanese brethern. Why do you think Bali was chosen for the bombs? The Balinese were outraged by what happened. Indonesia is not a rational unit to make a country out of. I would hate to see Bali take the brunt of the punishment because of extremists coming out of Jakarta (or wherever they come from). |
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crazylemongirl

Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Location: almost there...
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2005 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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here would be a simple way to check her story.
all bags are weighed at check in at which point it left her person. If it weighted more when it came into custody then it wasn't hers but the customs officers didn't bother to do that and the judges have ordered the contents be destroyed.
Quite frankly I don't think even an australian would be stupid enough to smuggle dope into indonesia and risk death by firing squad.
Just because do you know everyone in aussie? |
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komtengi

Joined: 30 Sep 2003 Location: Slummin it up in Haebangchon
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 1:37 am Post subject: |
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crazylemongirl wrote: |
here would be a simple way to check her story.
all bags are weighed at check in at which point it left her person. If it weighted more when it came into custody then it wasn't hers but the customs officers didn't bother to do that and the judges have ordered the contents be destroyed.
Quite frankly I don't think even an australian would be stupid enough to smuggle dope into indonesia and risk death by firing squad.
Just because do you know everyone in aussie? |
actually there was a screw up in Australia... as they didnt weigh her bags seperately but together. Also there is a big demand for aussie dope in Bali, cause of the high quality and as the foreigners deal it most other foreigners feel safe buying. As they figure they are neither an informant or an undercover cop. The price for Aussie dope is also the most expensive of all in the island |
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jaganath69

Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 1:47 am Post subject: |
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I should have thought of this earlier, but those of you advocating a tourist boycott of Indonesia should stay away from Thailand and Malaysia as well. Both have corrupt court systems, use torture and forced confessions and have delivered massive sentences including the death penalty to foreign traffickers in the past. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 2:57 am Post subject: |
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Any system that often hands down death sentences for trafficking marijuana is a joke. If anyone thinks that outsiders should respect laws like this and keep their noses out of it, then I guess no one should ever be allowed to gripe about what goes on in Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Zimbabwe, and the like. |
Yes, because drug trafficking is as innocent as converting to xtianity. It is no worse than allowing a woman to drive.
And if you all think it is draconian, why not boycott Singapore and Malaysia? They have the death penalty for what she was convicted of. |
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Cthulhu

Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 7:21 am Post subject: |
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For any of those who have had too much of Channel 9's cheerleading, here's a more even-handed editorial from The Australian:
Corby case not ours to decide
May 28, 2005
Many Australians are angry Schapelle Corby is sweating in a cell this morning. They say the evidence she owned the four kilos of marijuana found in her luggage at Bali airport was not conclusive, and it could have been planted by drug-running airport baggage handlers. They argue that elements of the case against her do not make sense, saying that taking marijuana to Bali is a case of coals to Newcastle. And they point to the unfamiliar noise of the courtroom and complain the Indonesian legal system is unfair. The anger unleashed by this conviction is understandable. Corby is an all-Australian girl. Parents around the country look at her, see a reflection of their own kids, and react accordingly. And so many Australians visit Bali, some of us forget the writ of our law does not run there. But what we think does not matter a hill of beans. Indonesia is a foreign country where they do things differently, just as they choose. Until we know the grounds for the promised appeal there is no apparent evidence that Corby did not receive a fair trial under the applicable laws. Despite the gratuitous comments of Australians who should know better, and the intrusive behaviour of Australian television crews, the Indonesian judges conducted themselves with care. Nor was the punishent outrageous compared with the death sentence that could have been applied.
The most important question is what happens now. Corby is just one of 155 Australians the Department of Foreign Affairs says are serving sentences in prisons overseas. Some 46 of them are in Asian jails. And she is far better off than the Australians facing execution in Vietnam and Singapore. There is nothing special our government could, or should, do to help her, beyond the assistance any Australian in her situation is entitled to. And while Corby has captured public sympathy, our greatest efforts should be reserved for citizens who are at risk of execution. Nor can Australia solicit an agreement with Indonesia to bring Corby home to serve her sentence here straightaway. That will require negotiation of a mutual prisoner return treaty. Certainly the prospect of a young woman trapped in the destitution of a culturally alien Indonesian prison is unsettling. But while Australia has a prisoner exchange program with Thailand no such arrangement is in place with Indonesia. It would be good for such a deal to be done, but not solely to suit the circumstances of a single prisoner. Many Australians feel the pain of this family, with a loved child in a foreign jail, but justice and sympathy are not synonymous.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,15425041%255E7583,00.html |
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jaganath69

Joined: 17 Jul 2003
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 7:33 am Post subject: |
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Quite some time since I have seen something this balanced from the Aus. Well said, sums up what I feel. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 7:51 am Post subject: |
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Here's what I can't figure out:
According to Corby's defenders, the baggage handlers were smuggling drugs from Brisbane to Sydney.
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TONI HASSAN: When the case resumes in a Bali court next Thursday, Miss Corby's lawyers will argue that corrupt airport employees with airside access, at Brisbane Airport, put four kilos of marijuana into Miss Corby's unlocked boogie board bag. The drugs were to be picked up by someone else with access at Sydney Airport. But the pick-up was somehow missed.
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Why would you use the airlines to cart drugs around WITHIN a country? Wouldn't just hopping in a car or bus be far less risky?
http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2005/s1325836.htm[/quote] |
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase
Joined: 04 Nov 2003
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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With that in mind, why should anyone in the world care about what happens at Camp Delta? What's the difference? |
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SuperFly

Joined: 09 Jul 2003 Location: In the doghouse
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Posted: Mon May 30, 2005 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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I'd love to see some good old boys from down under take up arms and bust her out while she's still young...and cute...well, it'd make a good movie anyway. |
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