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Former hostages allege Iran's new president was captor
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wannago



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

igotthisguitar wrote:
>. Some of you people & your predictable knee-jerk Pavlovianism is downright disturbing...
This includes the claims of fellow hostages.

Rather than shooting off at mouth & all too often flying off half C-O-C-K-E-D, for crying out loud hold your horses.


Ah yes, from the mouth of Mr. Sensibility himself. I believe the Ayatollah is calling you.
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Nowhere Man



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 8:08 am    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

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Ah yes, from the mouth of Mr. Sensibility himself.


And who is Mr. Sensibility, then? You?

Derrek?

Gollum?
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mithridates



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Until we get some more information, all the speculation here is tantamount to little more than:




I suggest we just wait. If the White House has anything, believe me, they will use it. If not even they decide to persist with it, then it's nothing.
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Nowhere Man



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If the White House has anything, believe me, they will use it.


Isn't this why it's being brought up?
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dulouz wrote:
"Cross racial recognition". Thats scientific validation of "they all look the same to me". Its been explained to me that Iranians are Caucasians so I'm not sure how that explanation is valid as long as other Caucasians are making the claim.


While yes, Persians are considered white, I do think us Americans tend to do the cross racial recognition thing with people from that part of the world. Remember Sikh Indians got beat up after 9/11 because people thought they were Arab muslims Rolling Eyes.

A dude with a beard is a dude with a beard.
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mithridates



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nowhere Man wrote:
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If the White House has anything, believe me, they will use it.


Isn't this why it's being brought up?


Anything else, I mean.
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The Bobster



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bucheon bum wrote:
dulouz wrote:
"Cross racial recognition". Thats scientific validation of "they all look the same to me". Its been explained to me that Iranians are Caucasians so I'm not sure how that explanation is valid as long as other Caucasians are making the claim.


While yes, Persians are considered white, I do think us Americans tend to do the cross racial recognition thing with people from that part of the world. Remember Sikh Indians got beat up after 9/11 because people thought they were Arab muslims Rolling Eyes.

A dude with a beard is a dude with a beard.

This says nothiing about the real world. It speaks volumes about the stupidity of American bigots, though, who are not even smart enough to know who to hate...

Do you mean to concede that the exact levels of idiocy extend entirely and and all the way through every branch of our govt?

If it is true, thanks for the new information.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Bobster wrote:
bucheon bum wrote:
dulouz wrote:
"Cross racial recognition". Thats scientific validation of "they all look the same to me". Its been explained to me that Iranians are Caucasians so I'm not sure how that explanation is valid as long as other Caucasians are making the claim.


While yes, Persians are considered white, I do think us Americans tend to do the cross racial recognition thing with people from that part of the world. Remember Sikh Indians got beat up after 9/11 because people thought they were Arab muslims Rolling Eyes.

A dude with a beard is a dude with a beard.

This says nothiing about the real world. It speaks volumes about the stupidity of American bigots, though, who are not even smart enough to know who to hate...

Do you mean to concede that the exact levels of idiocy extend entirely and and all the way through every branch of our govt?

If it is true, thanks for the new information.


Certainly when it involves the President of a country we don't formally recognize or have any type of diplomatic ties with.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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London, Jun. 29 - Iran Focus has learnt that the photograph of Iran��s newly-elected president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, holding the arm of a blindfolded American hostage on the premises of the United States embassy in Tehran was taken by an Associated Press photographer in November 1979.

Prior to the first round of the presidential elections on June 17, Iran Focus was the first news service to reveal Ahmadinejad��s role in the seizure of the U.S. embassy in Tehran.

The identity of Ahmadinejad in the photograph was revealed to Iran Focus by a source in Tehran, whose identity could not be revealed for fear of persecution.

Soon after the Iranian Revolution in 1979, Ahmadinejad, who was studying in Tehran��s University of Science and Technology, became a member of the central council of the Office for Strengthening of Unity Between Universities and Theological Seminaries, the main pro-Khomeini student body.

The OSU played a central role in the seizure of the United States embassy in Tehran in November 1979. Members of the OSU central council, who included Ahmadinejad as well as Ibrahim Asgharzadeh, Mohsen Mirdamadi, Mohsen Kadivar, Hashem Aghajari, and Abbas Abdi, were regularly received by Khomeini himself.

Former OSU officials involved in the takeover of the U.S. embassy said Ahmadinejad was in charge of security during the occupation, a key role that put him in direct contact with the nascent security organizations of the clerical regime and the Islamic Revolutionary Guards, which he later joined.

After the 444-day occupation of the U.S. embassy, Ahmadinejad joined the special forces of the Islamic Revolutionary Prosecutor��s Office, based in Evin Prison. The ��Revolutionary Prosecutor�� was Assadollah Lajevardi, who earned the nickname the Butcher of Evin after the execution of thousands of political dissidents in the 1980s.

Defectors from the clerical regime��s security forces have revealed that Ahmadinejad led the firing squads that carried out many of the executions. He personally fired coup de grace shots at the heads of prisoners after their execution and became known as ��Tir Khalas Zan�� (literally, the Terminator).
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
Everytime we sent a shipment of weapons to them, they would release one or maybe two hostages, then, to our government's horror, they would take more hostages. It was human trafficking.

They kidnapped CIA Station Chief William Buckley and tortured him to death over a period of several days.


We were idiots for sending them weapons. And they didn't kidnapp Buckley, Hizbballah did. Iran just knew what was going on.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes, i do believe it was getting intelligence itself. That's one of the reasons it was an asset for the Iranians (gave them intell on the americans and whoever else there in Lebanon). As for the others, no. And I didn't say it wasn't being supported by Iran either.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a new development: (from Yahoo News)

Iran's New Leader Suspected in '89 Attack
By WILLIAM J. KOLE, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 56 minutes ago



Austrian authorities have classified documents suggesting that Iran's president-elect may have played a key role in the 1989 execution-style slayings of an Iranian Kurdish leader and two associates in Vienna, a newspaper reported Saturday.

Austria's Interior Ministry and the public prosecutor's office are investigating alleged evidence pointing to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's possible involvement in the attack, the daily Der Standard reported.

Officials were not immediately available to comment on the report Saturday.

The allegations against Ahmadinejad come as some of the Americans who were taken captive in Iran in 1979 implicate the newly elected leader in the hostage crisis. Radical Iranian students took over the U.S. Embassy and held 52 Americans hostage for 444 days.

In Austria, Green Party leader Peter Pilz told the newspaper he wants a warrant issued for the arrest of Ahmadinejad, who he alleged "stands under strong suspicion of having been involved."

Pilz accused the hard-liner of planning the murders of Kurdish resistance leader Abdul-Rahman Ghassemlou and two of his colleagues, all of whom were shot in the head at a Vienna apartment by Iranian commandos on July 13, 1989. A fourth victim survived the attack and was able to crawl out of the apartment and alert Austrian authorities.

Pilz told Der Standard his source was an unidentified Iranian journalist living in France, who he said also claimed to have evidence that former Iranian President Ayatollah Hashemi Rafsanjani gave the order to have Ghassemlou killed. He did not elaborate.

He said Ahmadinejad, then a high-ranking member of Iran's elite revolutionary guard, allegedly traveled to the Austrian capital a few days before the slayings to deliver the murder weapons to the commandos who carried out the attack. Austrian authorities have said the gunmen apparently entered the alpine country with Iranian diplomatic passports.

Pilz said the journalist was contacted in 2001 by one of the alleged gunmen, described as a former revolutionary guard who has since died in a drowning accident.

"The descriptions of the informant contained details of the scene (of the slayings) which could only have come from someone who was there," Pilz said. He said the gunman's account, which included "very convincing" evidence implicating Ahmadinejad, was turned over at the time to Austria's federal counterterrorism agency.

Prague's Pravo newspaper reported similar allegations on Friday, quoting Hossein Jazdan Panah, an exiled Kurdish opposition member, as saying Ahmadinejad "was in charge of hit operations abroad" at the time of the Vienna killings.

Ghassemlou, the gunmen's principle target, was secretary-general of the Democratic Party of Iranian Kurdistan. His delegation had been in Vienna for secret talks with envoys from the Tehran regime.

The gunmen managed to slip out of Austria after the attack and were never arrested.

Pilz's Green Party pressed unsuccessfully in 1997 for the creation of a special parliamentary inquiry to look into a possible cover-up by Austrian officials, who it believes bowed to pressure from Iran's government and allowed the commandos to leave Austria, allegedly providing them a police escort to Vienna's international airport. Those allegations have never been proven.

On Friday, the United States said it would not be surprised if Ahmadinejad turns out to have been a main participant in the holding of American hostages in Tehran a quarter-century ago, although the Bush administration cautioned that it was still trying to determine the facts.

Five former U.S. hostages who saw Ahmadinejad in photographs or on television said they believe he was among the hostage-takers. One said he was interrogated by Ahmadinejad.

"I don't think it should be surprising to anyone if it turns out to be true," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said in Washington. "This is a regime run by an unelected few that only allowed its hand-picked candidates to run in an election that was well short of free and fair."

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I can't decide if this is important news or a revelation that the Austrian Green Party is a pack of loons.
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