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TJ



Joined: 10 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 10:34 pm    Post subject: Showing other westerners how some Koreans treat dogs. Reply with quote

Superfly, thanks for the photo of the dogs in cages.

I lived in South Korea for 4 years but never had my camera with me when I saw Korean (meat) dogs.

Since returning to Aus I have told my friends here about Korean dogs but I'm sure they didn't really understand the situation.

Now I can show friends in Australia how some, but not all, Koreans treat dogs.
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pegpig



Joined: 10 May 2005

PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

just because wrote:
What is the thing against eating dog???

Do you eat cow???
Do you eat sheep????
Do you eat pig???
Do you eat chicken???

Well if you do then what is the difference..

Don't give me that animal rights bullcrap....all of the above are treated worse than a lot of the dogs are...have you ever been to a place they keep chickens...


Actually wrong. I grew up on a farm. In general, the above list of animals are not treated badly. If you think about a whole barn of chickens - let's say 10,000, how many of those will be abused? Maybe a few, in their lifetime. A farmer is not going to bring a bruised animal to market. They get severely docked for that. Out of a herd of animals headed to slaughter a few will get a little shock perhaps to get them motivatedto move. Many humans have been shocked also. You get over it. The actual death is quick.

Dogs in Korea are specifically tortured to death - beaten to death. One of my early adult classes in my first months here explained the manner of preparation to me. Needless to say (but, I will say it), I had a hard time maintaining my composure and probably did not to some extent.

For that reason, and because it is just culturally different I would find it difficult to eat dog. Plus, dogs just don't 'look' delicious. However, if I ate dog without knowing and was told after the fact, I wouldn't freak out.
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sheba



Joined: 16 May 2005
Location: Here there and everywhere!

PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

just because wrote:
sheba wrote:
When we slaughter cows/pigs/chickens/sheep they are generally wild animals. Dogs on the other hand are not.

Do you think these animals are wild????

Have you ever been to a chicken farm...just as bad as the dog farms here in terms of treatment...

All the cows, pigs and sheep we eat do not live in the wild...they are brought up for consumption, I lived on a sheep farm and they were definantly not wild animals...

Maybe they were better treated but at the end of the day the purpose was the same...to cut them up and eat them...except for the wool, which we use to clothe us..

I've seen wild sheep, they are pretty useless for eating, abbitoirs won't take them, different qulaity of meat, plus the wool is useless, too coarse


I didnt say the animals lived in the wild....Just because an animal is raised on a farm, it doesnt mean its not wild... I didnt mean they run free around the country and live in the bush, I simply meant that they are not pets.... (when you call a cow does it come running up to you all excited? Does it play with you children? Will it protect your family against an intruder?).

My whole point (in case you missed it) is the difference in emotional attachments.

In response to pegpig, I agree. I grew up on a farm also. For cows and sheep, the condition of the animal determines how much money you get for them, so aminals need to be treated well. As for chickens, I have heard stories, but back home there are strict rules and very hefty fines for such issues.

As for the dogs, I was told by a Korean friend that dog tastes better with adrenaline in the meat, so they beat the dogs to death.


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livinginkorea



Joined: 11 Jun 2004
Location: Korea, South of the border

PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Going back to the orginal topic.... Smile

When I came here first I was brought out a lot by my co-teachers and the bosses. This happened for a month and then the conversation started to dry up and they started to speak more and more Korean and less English so I took the hint and started declining their "let's go drinking" offer. That was my first job.

With my second job I was only asked out once by the boss when they had a big New Years party last January. That was all. Looks to me that the going for the drink depends greatly on the school and the location. What I mean by that is the school in the country or city? In my experience I was asked out a lot by the country people (my first job) and only once in the city (my second job). Well the Korean country people seemed to be closer as they grew up together.

To be honest my students have asked me out about 5 times as much as both schools have asked me. But sometimes you have to say no. I had an excuse that I was teaching in the morning 3 times a week so that came out sometimes!! If I went all the time then I would get bored Sad Very Happy
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livinginkorea



Joined: 11 Jun 2004
Location: Korea, South of the border

PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As for the dogmeat..

I was tricked by one of my friends (I thought that he was) into having dogmeat for dinner. I told him beforehand that I didn't want dogmeat or live squid for dinner. That bastard. I was shocked and furious and I never talked to him again. He was super Christian as well.

Some Koreans think that it's funny to trick the foreigner.

Haha very funny, my sides are splitting!!! Very funny trick you have played on me!!! Evil or Very Mad

It's all because we aren't real people to them. Sad
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Corporal



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pegpig wrote:
Corporal wrote:
ladyandthetramp wrote:
And what is your reason for telling us?


I was thinking the same thing.


It seems that quite often when a new thread gets started, or an old one gets revived the same critics come on here wondering why someone did that. WHO CARES?! If you don't like it, go elsewhere.


Naw. If people want to post inane shit, other people can post about how they think it's inane shit.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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For anyone who has owned a dog they will know there is an emotional attachment. Dogs are friendly, loyal, and protective of their owners. They can become part of the family.

That is the difference.


The difference is cultural then sheba. It is therefore not wrong to eat dog. It is no better to eat cow (some are sacred in India) or pigs (considered to be very smart animals).

The OP had every right to make his choice. However passing judgement on dog eating is highly hypocritical if you eat other meat from animals raised for human consumption. It is also selective outrage.
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sheba



Joined: 16 May 2005
Location: Here there and everywhere!

PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont think it is neccessarily cutural... Every Korean dog owner I have met refuses to eat dog meat. I met a Korean back home who used to eat it, but now now that he owns a dog he said he would never touch the stuff again. He was the one that told me about beating dogs to death.

I agree, I do not think it is wrong to eat dog meat, its just something I wouldnot do. I was merely pointing out my opinion of the difference between eating dog and beef (or chicken etc).

Did the OP pass judgement? I didnt pick up on that (or were you referring to me?). Anyway, I would feel uncomfortable around a group of people eating dog meat simly because I would have visuals of my own pets... wierd?? I dont blame them for passing up the offer to go out, although it may be wise to let them know why so that next time they could all go somewhere else as a group.


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JongnoGuru



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 3:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On my most recent trip to the West I was asked by strangers on six separate occasions, upon hearing that I had just arrived from South Korea, whether I've eaten dogmeat. (By the third time, I was saying, "Okay, you're the third person to ask me that", "You're the fourth person...", "You're the fifth...", etc.) The whole spectrum -- shopkeepers, students, cab drivers, elderly guests in hotel bars, men and women. Sometimes it was intended as a joke, sometimes deadly serious. But it was nearly always the very first thing they asked me.
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sheba



Joined: 16 May 2005
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I asked a lot of Koreans on my first trip here... I was surprised to find that most of them answered a shocked "NO!". I haven't met a lot of people who have said yes, although I have stopped asking!
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PolyChronic Time Girl



Joined: 15 Dec 2004
Location: Korea Exited

PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I first came to Korea, I honestly ate dog soup one time. It was the novelty of a new country and I wanted to do something different and have something "cool" to write about back home. Now, I honestly wish I didn't try it. First, Bosintang is disgusting, well, not disgusting but horribly bland and tasteless. I won't eat it again, first, because it doesn't taste good. Second, after I had my first "dog" I moved into a house that had a family downstairst that raised dogs specifically for the cuisine. This poor dog was just chained up, looked dirty and desolute. I feel real guilty that I ate dog and will never do it again. I had a foreign coworker that loved dog and ate it once a week. Once was too much for me.
Most Koreans I talk to seem shocked a little horrified that I tried dog....so obviously it is not a common cuisine with them also.
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Tiberious aka Sparkles



Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've eaten dog. I won't again, simply because I don't think it tastes very good.

And pigs are carnivores. Haven't you seen Hannibal?

Laughing

Sparkles*_*
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captain kirk



Joined: 29 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think there's a good case for not eating meat period. Cholesterol from animal fat, then the moral issue. If you think about it, look at the statistics for heart disease in big meat eating countries when folks get to be in their fifties.

Like the oil industry, the meat industry is a powerful lobby, and the medical industry which performs coronary bypasses.
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manlyboy



Joined: 01 Aug 2004
Location: Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia

PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wangja wrote:
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Do you eat cow???
Do you eat sheep????
Do you eat pig???
Do you eat chicken???

Well if you do then what is the difference..


They are all herbivores. A dog is a carnivore.


Pigs are omnivores.
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R. S. Refugee



Joined: 29 Sep 2004
Location: Shangra La, ROK

PostPosted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wangja wrote:
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Do you eat cow???
Do you eat sheep????
Do you eat pig???
Do you eat chicken???

Well if you do then what is the difference..


They are all herbivores. A dog is a carnivore.


It's wierd, I guess, but I thought dogs were omnivores. Oh, well.
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