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Beej
Joined: 05 Mar 2005
Location: Eungam Loop
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[quote]Beej wrote:
So educated Canadian workers are payed 5 less an hour than illiterate workers from the States. That's not exactly something Cananda should be proud of.
Gord wrote
Not paid less, but rather that a base medical plan does not have to be subsidized at a much higher dollar amount. In B.C., a base medical plan costs $40 a month or so while the same plan in the U.S. would cost several hundred. It's not money the worker would have ever seen.
Yes paid less. The health care is a matter of taxation, which the Canadian worker pays more of. The Japanes are talking gross pay here. They could care less what taxation rates are.
In this case illiterate American workers get paid more than educated Canadians. Damn.
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Gord
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| Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 4:13 am Post subject: |
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Yes paid less. The health care is a matter of taxation, which the Canadian worker pays more of. The Japanes are talking gross pay here. They could care less what taxation rates are.
In this case illiterate American workers get paid more than educated Canadians. Damn. |
Medicaid in the U.S. is $400 billion per year and climbing and costs more per person than Canada's system while only covering a percentage of the populace.
So while workers in Canada have part of their salary deducted to cover universal healthcare, workers in the U.S. have their salaries deducted even more on average for a system many of them don't even qualify to use.
So yes, cheaper for Toyota and everyone gets the same wage. As for illiterate, that had to do with worker pool. It would have been harder for Toyota to have filled the roles and kept them in the areas offered to them while the section in Ontario they landed has a ready-developed labour pool. Same reason why so many programming companies are in Silicon Valley. Not because it's a nice place, but because the talent has already moved there. |
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cosmicgirlie
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| All I have to say to the whole Toyata thing is it's coming to my hometown and I hope to god it brings in more mulletheads to better increase the mullet breading program that my friends and I have set up secretly!! We need some wild seed to see how it mixes with that pure mullethead greatness! |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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| cosmicgirlie wrote: |
| All I have to say to the whole Toyata thing is it's coming to my hometown and I hope to god it brings in more mulletheads to better increase the mullet breading program that my friends and I have set up secretly!! We need some wild seed to see how it mixes with that pure mullethead greatness! |
"Mullet breading" program? Do you work for Mrs. Pauls?
(If anyone gets this, let me know) |
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The Man known as The Man
Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:06 am Post subject: |
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| Canadian workers are also $4 to $5 cheaper to employ partly thanks to the taxpayer-funded health-care system in Canada |
A: Just to be devil's advocate... aren't we also $4 to $5 cheaper because our standard of living is lower, and because there's no jobs for educated people?
B: Our country is better because taxpayers pay for health care premiums instead of employers, so that we can wait eight months to get surgery?
Just some thoughts.
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As a Canadian, I must point out to you that you're not supposed to do that. |
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stumptown
Joined: 11 Apr 2005
Location: Paju: Wife beating capital of Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:25 am Post subject: |
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| Oh no, not those three. It's not true. Only #2. The others are in small numbers. |
Mith?!?!? Come on, man. Gettin jadad? Or was that sarcasm? |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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This thread should be entitled:
"Confirmed by Toyota: Folks in Ontario are smarter than folks in Alabama"
Alabama/Missisippi might make up 4% of the 50 US states.. but probably .01% of Americans, if even that.
If we compared people from Massachussets for example to the dumbest provence in Canada.. then you'd get the opposite skewed results.
When comparing places, America=50 States.. not the 2 most illiterate states.
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Tiger Beer wrote: |
This thread should be entitled:
"Confirmed by Toyota: Folks in Ontario are smarter than folks in Alabama"
Alabama/Missisippi might make up 4% of the 50 US states.. but probably .01% of Americans, if even that.
If we compared people from Massachussets for example to the dumbest provence in Canada.. then you'd get the opposite skewed results.
When comparing places, America=50 States.. not the 2 most illiterate states.
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Good point. For example, an educated American would know how to spell, "Massachusetts," "Mississippi," and "province." |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| They picked the south because that is the one place in America where 1) Unions are dead, 2) the economy is so hard up the locals will take most any job and 3) the governments are such corporate whores they will do anything for a corporate entity. |
Just like Canada? |
Unions are dead? Ever been part of a union in Canada? Ever had 3-4% of your salary deducted so the union can grieve a letter of reprimand given to an employee who told a supervisor to f-off? |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Gord wrote: |
| Beej wrote: |
Yes paid less. The health care is a matter of taxation, which the Canadian worker pays more of. The Japanes are talking gross pay here. They could care less what taxation rates are.
In this case illiterate American workers get paid more than educated Canadians. Damn. |
Medicaid in the U.S. is $400 billion per year and climbing and costs more per person than Canada's system while only covering a percentage of the populace.
So while workers in Canada have part of their salary deducted to cover universal healthcare, workers in the U.S. have their salaries deducted even more on average for a system many of them don't even qualify to use.
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This is a good point - the average American spends considerably more on medicare than the average Canadian, and while a few of them get better coverage / service, around 1/6 of them have no medical coverage at all, and some who are on plans get much worse coverage than most Canadians. My sister has worked in hospitals in both the US and Canada, and basically she seems to think that the grass is pretty brown on both sides of the fence.
The notion of free medical coverage is somewhat of myth in some provinces, at any rate. If you don't have employer sponsored medicare in some, and you're not dirt poor, you can still pay upwards to $1,000 / year. |
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Bulsajo
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| Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| flakfizer wrote: |
| "Mullet breading" program? |
Southern Ontario is known for its fine mullets, which are dipped in an egg batter and then rolled in bread crumbs before being deep fried to a nice golden brown.
This Breading of the Mullet usually occurs on the October harvest moon.
An interesting feature of the breaded mullet is its ability to self-marinate.
Who the f__k really wants to talk about car plants anyway? |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 1:35 am Post subject: |
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| Bulsajo wrote: |
| flakfizer wrote: |
| "Mullet breading" program? |
Southern Ontario is known for its fine mullets, which are dipped in an egg batter and then rolled in bread crumbs before being deep fried to a nice golden brown.
This Breading of the Mullet usually occurs on the October harvest moon.
An interesting feature of the breaded mullet is its ability to self-marinate.
Who the f__k really wants to talk about car plants anyway? |
Thanks. I needed that. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 5:35 am Post subject: |
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| There are other places in the US besides the deep South. It looks like they intentionally picked one dismal place for the sole reason of dismissing the entire country just to draw away attention from the no healthcare cost issue in Canada and then picked Canada where labor has always been cheaper. |
One guy said it best: people in the U.S. South are two things -- stupid and cheap. |
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guangho
Joined: 19 Jan 2005
Location: a spot full of deception, stupidity, and public micturation and thus unfit for longterm residency
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 7:37 am Post subject: |
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| Yaya wrote: |
| dulouz wrote: |
| There are other places in the US besides the deep South. It looks like they intentionally picked one dismal place for the sole reason of dismissing the entire country just to draw away attention from the no healthcare cost issue in Canada and then picked Canada where labor has always been cheaper. |
One guy said it best: people in the U.S. South are two things -- stupid and cheap. |
That was me. And they are. Trust me- I've been there. |
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2005 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Yaya wrote: |
| dulouz wrote: |
| There are other places in the US besides the deep South. It looks like they intentionally picked one dismal place for the sole reason of dismissing the entire country just to draw away attention from the no healthcare cost issue in Canada and then picked Canada where labor has always been cheaper. |
One guy said it best: people in the U.S. South are two things -- stupid and cheap. |
But they are still americans. |
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