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bucheon bum
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| A good dictator can do wonders. Park Chung-Hee for Korea, Pinochet for Chile, the communists in China since 1979, etc. The problem is they're the exception the rule. The chances of a Pinochet coming to power are pretty slim. And some that might start out well might be too seduced by power and not give it up when the appropriate time arrives (such as Robert Mugabe, who has taken that to the extreme). |
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indiercj
Joined: 30 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| I stopped buying anything from the US. Their Freedom sucks! |
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joe_doufu
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| A good dictator can do wonders ... [but] ... some that might start out well might be too seduced by power and not give it up when the appropriate time arrives (such as Robert Mugabe, who has taken that to the extreme). |
Wasn't Mugabe democratically elected? I know for sure Hitler was. My point is, a republican or democratic structure is no more a guarantee of freedom than a dictatorship is. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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Wasn't Mugabe democratically elected? |
He was, in 1980. But not since.
I was 7 yrs old and remember the large crowds back then- chanting and dancing outside the poll booths not 200 yards from my house. he was the only black leader the radicals would accept. Despite voter intimidation (even then!) he was by and large democratically elected.
But he has hung on to power like a limpet ever since, bludgeoning his way through with rigged elections and widespread violence by his personal army ever since.
I would say that former terrorists may be good at acquiring power, but they are terribly abusive of it once they have it. |
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hypnotist
Joined: 04 Dec 2004
Location: I wish I were a sock
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| A good dictator can do wonders. Park Chung-Hee for Korea, Pinochet for Chile, the communists in China since 1979, etc. The problem is they're the exception the rule. The chances of a Pinochet coming to power are pretty slim. And some that might start out well might be too seduced by power and not give it up when the appropriate time arrives (such as Robert Mugabe, who has taken that to the extreme). |
Pinochet was a good dictator?! His human rights abuses were probably a good inspiration for Mugabe! |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| There's also that big American city named after a dictator. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:15 am Post subject: |
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| Again can be said true of the US itself, not only by Fundamentalists either.... |
really how could it be said of the US itself.
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| trying to bring peace, by on oneside leading partisan talks and meetings, while at the same time selling weapons to Israel.... |
well how about them being open to some kind of compromise?
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| That'd be like someone initially shaking your hand, and then kicking you in the nuts in the very next breath - I don't doubt the US wants Peace in the Middle East, it just goes about it in a partisan and self serving way - that both angers and infuriates the Muslim world. |
Perhaps that is true on the other hand what has the other side done?
They don't have clean hands in this and they offer no compromise.
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| Yes, and it is becoming less and less tolerant as the time goes by. It wouldn't be fighting in Iraq if it had headed its intelligence reports in the first place, and if its elites weren't so bent on making profits through its Military Industrial Complex |
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I think might have been in Iraq anyway.
and even if the US is less tolerant is it still better than most of the world and far better than its enemies?
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| This is a reasonable assumption, many other countries have let the Middle East become the way it is through initial interference (British in Palestine, the French in Syria, etc.) and subsequent ignorance towards the issues. The US is the only nation, strong enough on its own to "force" change as you say - but what I believe is to try and force will eventually lead to more and more pushing back.... as we have seen in the London Bombings. |
I think Al Qaida fights for the Caliphate. If it wasn't iraq they would be demanding something else. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:18 am Post subject: |
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| I stopped buying anything from the US. Their Freedom sucks! |
How did you post this message? There is only AMD and Intel.
Anyway I haven't seen anyone from North Korea posting on this board? Wonder what things would be like in South Korea w/o the US. |
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joe_doufu
Joined: 09 May 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:56 am Post subject: |
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| There's also that big American city named after a dictator. |
I can't think of any... which one do you mean? Washington? Ha. |
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Ody
Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: over here
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| Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:57 am Post subject: |
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| IMOHAO, freedom is an illusion (and for some, a tool). |
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indiercj
Joined: 30 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 2:30 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| indiercj wrote: |
| I stopped buying anything from the US. Their Freedom sucks! |
How did you post this message? There is only AMD and Intel.
Anyway I haven't seen anyone from North Korea posting on this board? Wonder what things would be like in South Korea w/o the US. |
If your freedom is all about some technologies that helps you post in Dave's along with some feeling safer and superior compaired to a certain 3rd world country under dictatorship, that's fine with me. But I have higher expectations. Sorry for that.  |
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chotaerang
Joined: 23 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 3:11 am Post subject: |
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[quote="indiercj"][quote="Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee"]
| indiercj wrote: |
| I stopped buying anything from the US. Their Freedom sucks! |
Specifically, what is it that sucks about their freedom? |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 3:22 am Post subject: |
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| joe_doufu wrote: |
| mithridates wrote: |
| There's also that big American city named after a dictator. |
I can't think of any... which one do you mean? Washington? Ha. |
Cincinnati!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnatus |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 3:28 am Post subject: |
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| mithridates wrote: |
| joe_doufu wrote: |
| mithridates wrote: |
| There's also that big American city named after a dictator. |
I can't think of any... which one do you mean? Washington? Ha. |
Cincinnati!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnatus |
I heard he also liked to handle fasces.
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| If your freedom is all about some technologies that helps you post in Dave's along with some feeling safer and superior compaired to a certain 3rd world country under dictatorship, that's fine with me. But I have higher expectations. |
I think the country pissing contests are being held in another thread. |
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hypnotist
Joined: 04 Dec 2004
Location: I wish I were a sock
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| Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 3:42 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| indiercj wrote: |
| I stopped buying anything from the US. Their Freedom sucks! |
How did you post this message? There is only AMD and Intel.
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*set mode geekier-than-thou*
http://www.via.com.tw/en/index.jsp |
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