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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003 Location: Kuwait
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Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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The King of Kwangju wrote: |
Full disclosure - I'm not in Korea anymore.
But when I was, there wasn't any talk of wayguks being "losers." Not that I heard anyways. |
All this talk of Waygooks being losers, from both foreigners and Koreans in this country are kind of spelling it out for me. l-e-a-v-e
keithinkorea wrote: |
If you're generally enjoying your life, you're doing a lot better than a lot of other people. |
Right. But it still stinks to be called a loser.
Jake E. Lee wrote: |
Koreans are the real losers. |
Now that's just silly Jake. |
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chronicpride

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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Butterfly wrote: |
All this talk of Waygooks being losers, from both foreigners and Koreans in this country are kind of spelling it out for me. l-e-a-v-e
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No doubt. There's a lot of people who are happy with their lives, regardless of which country they live in. I don't understand the logic of why some of the grumpy folk in the world has to try so hard to pull everyone else down with them. If I'm having a bad day, then I'll call you up and we can hit up a pub and cry in our beers. Until that time, suck it up and sit and pout on that lone bar stool by yourself. |
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alicat_blue

Joined: 09 Mar 2005
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Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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I came here for several reasons. Where I hail from has one of the highest unemployment rates in the U.S. and living from paycheck to paycheck was getting tiresome. Financial stress can really break you. There were also personal reasons involved. And to be honest the paid airfare was very enticing and accomodation as well. The two million won a month salary was the biggest factor though, mind boggling amount for an ole alleycat like me. Having travelled to several other Asian countries, I thought for some reason Korea would be similar and in that aspect I was wrong. But it's all good, I'm saving money, staying out of trouble and after a year I'll have a nice nest-egg for about a year's worth of travels. Nepal, Africa, Central America....okay best not to think too much about that now. |
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Paji eh Wong

Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:20 am Post subject: |
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I'm here to avoid ...
A) accumulating reposnsibilities and
B) the demographics crunch back home.
Not the greatest of reasons. But then again, I think its rare to find people with good, well thought out reasons for doing what they're doing. |
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Alias

Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 3:33 am Post subject: |
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Remember "maneatinghorse"? The guy was a total jerk but he was right. Many Koreans do consider us to be losers. Also, I know from personal experience that a good portion of foreigners working legtimate jobs over here really don't like esl teachers because of the bad rep we give to all waygooks working in Korea. |
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chronicpride

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 4:44 am Post subject: |
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What I don't get is what's with the endless amount of self-conscious threads about Koreans, other foreigners, or ppl back in the west and what, god forbid, they must think of you, me, or anyone working over here. Outside of my family and inner circle of friends, I don't give a rat's ass about what joe stranger is thinking during the 2 seconds of thought they give me, when they walk past and then forget about me for the rest of their lives. Anyone that loses enough sleep about stuff like this to get all bothered or come online and start endless threads about it, is going to be just as self-conscious and self-doubting if they were living the cookie cutter dream in corporate america with a picket fenced house, SUV, and the token wife and kids. Simply put, there's obviously not enough therapists in this place and clients humble enough to admit that some of their angst may come from within. |
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Zyzyfer

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 5:35 am Post subject: |
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The King of Kwangju wrote: |
Full disclosure - I'm not in Korea anymore.
But when I was, there wasn't any talk of wayguks being "losers." Not that I heard anyways. But there's no doubt that they were losers when they came.
I never understood how a loser could travel to a foreign country, get a good job, have the time of their life, maybe find love, and still be considered a loser.
That person isn't a loser anymore. They found what they couldn't find at home, and that makes them a winner. |
Nice post.
To stick with the original post, I came here because my hometown (lived there all of my life) is a military area, and finding a job there required experience, but nobody was willing to hire someone to give them experience. Granted, I didn't try too hard, but sifting through job ads that all asked for 3 years of technical writing experience to be an editor didn't really appeal to me when all I had throughout high school and college for experience was grocery store crap. I had the travel bug from doing a year of study abroad in Australia, and I had tried to apply to JET and failed, so I went to my campus career center and put down an interest in international work. A short time later, I got an email from a recruiter advertising Korea, and 6 weeks later I was on the plane and having a blast once I got here. Didn't even know internet forums for living here even existed, and I was living it up.
The plan was to spend a year here and then hop over to Japan to work near an old college friend there, but things happen. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Compunction Junction
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:26 am Post subject: |
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My reasons are a bit lame.
1) I had no job and was too under prepared to get a REAL teaching job back home.
2) I was too depressed
3) I felt like my situations was so dire i need to escape physicially
It was tough leaving the girlfriend (who is now my wife) but that too worked itself out.
i came BACK because,
1) a got a BIG pay raise
2) to a lesser extent i still felt unprepared (and had no desire yet...)
3) i FINALLY started to make some new friends just before i left (damn small towns).
4) i liked playing music here.
5)Well, why not?
i came back this last time b/c
1)...we need some relatively quick saved up cash
and we might stay for one more year b/c
1) we are doing a HORRIBLE job of saving ovuh 'ee :oops:
But regardless, this or next WILL be the last year. I am now ready to get a job back home and i think that this international experience will help me. (too bad that i'm supposed to be high school science teacher)
on that note, has anyone worked for an international school here? |
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Greekfreak

Joined: 25 May 2003
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:01 am Post subject: |
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During my first six months, I met a British guy named Nick who told me he would regularly come to Korea every six months or so just to "clean himself up".
I thought that was fairly admirable, even though he was here illegally each and every time. The irony is, at this point in time, there are enough people hooked up here that he'd have to go to prison to detox himself.
This thread will never end. Patch it to the freakiest waygook thread. |
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keithinkorea

Joined: 17 Mar 2004
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:53 am Post subject: |
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chronicpride wrote: |
What I don't get is what's with the endless amount of self-conscious threads about Koreans, other foreigners, or ppl back in the west and what, god forbid, they must think of you, me, or anyone working over here. Outside of my family and inner circle of friends, I don't give a rat's ass about what joe stranger is thinking during the 2 seconds of thought they give me, when they walk past and then forget about me for the rest of their lives. Anyone that loses enough sleep about stuff like this to get all bothered or come online and start endless threads about it, is going to be just as self-conscious and self-doubting if they were living the cookie cutter dream in corporate america with a picket fenced house, SUV, and the token wife and kids. Simply put, there's obviously not enough therapists in this place and clients humble enough to admit that some of their angst may come from within. |
Yep. Hammer hits the nail...
I think that 90% of people who come to Korea have difficulty adapting, it is a major challenge when you first get here. Some people can't handle the challenge. You have to be strong enough to do it, and it is pretty alienating when you first get here and can't even pick up a phone and order a pizza or get the damn taxi driver to take you where you want to go. When you learn a bit of survival Korean it becomes a lot easier. It is a lot easier to b1tch on dave's than to learn the basics of Korean language and culture.
I had a damn embarrasing experience this morning. I got in a taxi, greeted him and told him where I wanted to go...He looked at me all strange and then asked me if I was an American, when I told him I was British he was all 'your Korean pronunciation is so good, England is number one, it's great that you teach English here', it was weird.
Because my pronunciation is 'reasonable' Koreans expect me to be a wizard at the language. It's terrible, I'm making efforts to learn the language but I find langugaes hard, I even struggled through French at school
It's still nice to get compliments though isn't it. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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keithinkorea wrote: |
It's still nice to get compliments though isn't it. |
He complimented you because you weren't American.
Sentiment that British english and Britons are preferable to Americans is growing.
Americans have become typecast in Korea as arrogantt ill-behaved people who don't bother to learn anyone elses language- thanks to the GI's. However so long as the U.S remains the economic giant of the world they will continue to recruit N.American teachers, wether they "like" them or not. |
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cubanlord

Joined: 08 Jul 2005 Location: In Japan!
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Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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Why am I here? I had a great job back in Florida. Met my wife in the university. Her dream (since a child) was to teach English overseas somewhere. I thought I could change her mind...but to no avail. She came here for a year by herself while I waited back in Florida. She came home from Korea but was depressed because she missed her life. I love that woman more than anything. I gave up my career to be with her here in Korea. We are now both here. Seeing her happy is what keeps me going. She's the world for me.....anyways....
I came here ONLY....AND ONLY for my wife.  |
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DRAMA OVERKILL
Joined: 12 Apr 2005
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:20 am Post subject: |
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Alias wrote: |
Remember "maneatinghorse"? The guy was a total jerk but he was right. Many Koreans do consider us to be losers. Also, I know from personal experience that a good portion of foreigners working legtimate jobs over here really don't like esl teachers because of the bad rep we give to all waygooks working in Korea. |
I don't get this... "Foriegners working legitamite jobs over here?"... I have an ESL job - it's quite legitimate... It might not have the prestige associated with another line of work, but so what...
I have met several foreingers here who are not English teachers (you know, the ones with legitamite jobs), and they did not at all look down on foreigners who teach... I'm sure there are a few foreingers out there with "legitamite" jobs who carry a "holier than thou" attitude, but they can shampoo my crotch... We're all just here making a living...
And, I don't feel that because I'm an ESL instructor that I'm giving an "bad rep" to anyone... Some foreigners might be losers (yes, even the ones with legitamite jobs), but simply because I teach here doesn't make me a loser... And, my behavior in public is generally quite good, so WTF???
The ESL industry here is half-assed and very Mickey Mouse... That's no ones fault other than the Koreans who put it together... So, who are the real losers??? |
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d503

Joined: 16 Oct 2004 Location: Daecheong, Seoul
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:15 am Post subject: |
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Most korean I've met (I am disregarding the drunks that need to hassle me on the subway or buses) expect me to be an English teacher. But aside from that it doesn't really affect what they think about me, they are more interested in what i think of them and Korea.
Now the drunks think:
1. I speak no Korean and enjoy having hanguk mal asayo shouted at me.
2. Find it wildly amuzing to have my book/newspaper poked while trying to read it
3. Really enjoy sitting next to them.
4. Am a stupid American, who loves Bush, and really just wants to mingle with them
But then again, I tend to disregard the opinions of people who need to be drunk at 5.
As for me, I came to Korea to make money, in a year or so I'll come back to make more. As for my loserhood, I came to terms with it sometime in kindergarten, when the cool kids had drawn red houses, and I had a white one. It's life, not everyone is gonna see what you do the same way as you do. Move on. |
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Alias

Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:21 am Post subject: |
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I don't get this... "Foriegners working legitamite jobs over here?" |
Those who were required to have a certain skill set in order to gain employment here. Usually in the business world.
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And, I don't feel that because I'm an ESL instructor that I'm giving an "bad rep" to anyone |
Well just like esl teachers don't like to be confused for American GI's , those waygooks with "legitimate" jobs don't like to be confused to esl teachers. |
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