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The Lemon

Joined: 11 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2003 12:45 am Post subject: |
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I wouldn't go saying that out in the street to someone who is helping their little boy pee. |
Yeah, I'd exercise caution in what you tell parents to do in raising their kids, whether it's your culture or any other.
Having said that, in general, I'm not sure how much "help" little boys need in having themselves held. How is similar assistance given to girls, who have nothing to hold?
It seems like (at least partially) a public display, to me. |
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William Beckerson Guest
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2003 12:58 am Post subject: |
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we all know the porno baby in the photography-shop window next to Itaewon station, right? |
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TINKERBELL

Joined: 07 Apr 2003 Location: GWANGJU
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2003 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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Porno Baby? Don't know anything about that but not sure if I want to! |
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Skippy

Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Daejeon
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2003 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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Hell I know Porno Baby. I have lived in Daegu Korea for over two years and every time I visit Seoul and itaewon I get an eyeful of the kid in the window and each time it grosses me out and freaks me out. I am amazed they have no changed the picture yet after about three years.
The thing is the picture does not even look cute. The kid looks like a Jabba the Hut in training. The kids is not even cute. He is a fat little baby.
As to telling parents to not hold the kids wee wee. Well if the kids is 4 years old he could use some help to prevent him from spraying the local pedestrians. But if the kid is 8 years old I think the kid should be able to handle his own willy.
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The Lemon

Joined: 11 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2003 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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But if the kid is 8 years old I think the kid should be able to handle his own willy. |
I've seen moms carry their perfectly healty 8 year olds across crosswalks. I'm sure these are the same moms who insist that subway seats must be made available for their little princes. Because, as we all know, 8 year olds can't safely stand up in subways. |
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b8amack
Joined: 26 May 2003
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Posted: Mon May 26, 2003 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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Umm.. have you guys ever considered that you have issues? It's kind of curious that you're talking about boys taking a piss, and a lot of the knee-jerk reaction is to deny "anything pornographic" about it. And, creeping into the thread like a quiet fart in a loud room, is a lot of "tangential" discussion about how bathroom pictures of children might be used against you.
No one's even talking about how funky that bottle of "kinderwhiz" must make that classroom. That's MY question! |
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Austin
Joined: 23 May 2003 Location: In the kitchen
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Posted: Mon May 26, 2003 11:33 pm Post subject: Common sense to Koreans, but not to ethnocentrics... |
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Without a doubt, it is safe to say that the majority of you have never raised a child, nor potty trained one.
Many mothers help their children whether in public or not, because that is what they do! Though progress has been made in Korea, public restrooms are still ill-equipped to handle a mother and her infant. To begin with, a small child would not be able to reach a urinal, and the mother would not be allowed in the men's room. Moreover, the women's side usually has a long wait, and the last thing a mother wants is for their son to have an accident.
Habits are developed and continued in every community of the world, and many change over time. Korea is a developing nation and their society reflects this rapid growth. You foreigners can think of yourselves as more civilized and self-righteous all you want, but least you forget from where you once came!
Most kindergarten teachers dare not leave a room full of four-year-olds without supervision to aid another student that needs help urinating. The bottle in the classroom, though disgusting to many of you, is a workable solution in the random event that a student needs to urinate during class.
I am beginning to realize once again why I left this site. Ethnocentric thought is truly sad.
I thought bodily functions were a universal thing.
Would you be offended at witnessing breast feeding in public, or in viewing a French women crapping in a drainage gutter in the streets of Paris? Would you be bothered at the sight of a mother changing her child's diaper in a booth of a fast food chain?
When nature calls...
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TINKERBELL

Joined: 07 Apr 2003 Location: GWANGJU
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Posted: Mon May 26, 2003 11:46 pm Post subject: Re: Common sense to Koreans, but not to ethnocentrics... |
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[quote="Austin"]
Most kindergarten teachers dare not leave a room full of four-year-olds without supervision to aid another student that needs help urinating. The bottle in the classroom, though disgusting to many of you, is a workable solution in the random event that a student needs to urinate during class.
Actually smart a**e this occurred on a number of occassions when there were 3 teachers in the room. As for random event, when one kid needs to pee, they all do. Without a doubt, it's safe to say that you probably aren't so experienced with Kindy kids yourself. Raising your own is entirely different to coping with 15-25 who aren't yours.
I am beginning to realize once again why I left this site. Ethnocentric thought is truly sad.
Please feel free to leave again, I don't think there would be many objections! |
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chi-chi
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue May 27, 2003 12:10 am Post subject: |
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SCSA (or however you spell it) is back!
I'm sure you guys remember from the old forum. |
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b8amack
Joined: 26 May 2003
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Posted: Tue May 27, 2003 12:11 am Post subject: |
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Ok... I'm not in Korea yet, so you all can take your potshots at that, but the more I think about this, the more I wonder how serious you are, there "tinkerbell" (how aptly named) and if you ARE serious, you are one stupid person.
Any five year old is potty trained by several years, and hell, I helped my nephew pee when he was three, but that "help" consisted of taking him out of the car seat and looking the other way while he went to town and staring down other highway drivers who might take issue with some punk kid pissing on their highway.
Any five year old male who is making you watch him pee or worse, making you help guide the stream, is dominating you in classic CANINE fashion. This is alpha male dog psychology. Smarten up. |
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TINKERBELL

Joined: 07 Apr 2003 Location: GWANGJU
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Posted: Tue May 27, 2003 12:52 am Post subject: |
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b8amack wrote: |
Ok... I'm not in Korea yet, so you all can take your potshots at that, but the more I think about this, the more I wonder how serious you are, there "tinkerbell" (how aptly named) and if you ARE serious, you are one stupid person.
Any five year old is potty trained by several years, and hell, I helped my nephew pee when he was three, but that "help" consisted of taking him out of the car seat and looking the other way while he went to town and staring down other highway drivers who might take issue with some punk kid pissing on their highway.
Any five year old male who is making you watch him pee or worse, making you help guide the stream, is dominating you in classic CANINE fashion. This is alpha male dog psychology. Smarten up. |
I was serious in my original post and I'm only stupid a small percentage of the time! If you read the original post, I never took part in any of these activities, just wondered if it was common in schools. Sounds to me like you're not so smart yourself  |
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anae
Joined: 13 May 2003 Location: cowtown
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Posted: Tue May 27, 2003 11:13 am Post subject: |
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I worked in Kindergartens in Korea for five years and never saw such a thing. My Korean husband also thinks this is strange. |
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TINKERBELL

Joined: 07 Apr 2003 Location: GWANGJU
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Posted: Tue May 27, 2003 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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ESL4Kids wrote: |
Tinkerbell, might want to fix those quote tags in the post where you're quoting SCSA/a.k.a. "Austin" for the sake of those who are entering this discussion late.
And b8amack, might want to read the whole thread before jumping into the fray. Tinkerbell is NOT condoning the "bathroom habits" you seemed to assume she was. |
It was too late before I realised I hadn't used the quote thing properly. D'oh! And thanks for the support!  |
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b8amack
Joined: 26 May 2003
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Posted: Wed May 28, 2003 11:53 am Post subject: |
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Why should we even pretend to debate when every one of my responses to this post, no matter how free of petty "I know you are but what am I?" (a la Tinkerbell's retort,) no matter how reasonably phrased, are censored?
I HAVE read the entirety of the thread. And please, Tink, complicity IS participation. If you had read my post instead of merely responding to it out of vanity, you would be able to see that I am providing a general illustration for all involved, not directly attacking you. But if this is happening in your classroom, then it IS happening to you. I asked several of my Korean friends about this, and they all said that is very weird, especially helping the boys.
If you feel that my response makes me a stupid person, then go ahead and think that. Maybe I even AM.... but I can still outwit a five year old. And I can certainly see when they are trying to dominate me. |
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TJ
Joined: 10 Mar 2003
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Posted: Wed May 28, 2003 6:40 pm Post subject: KINDERGARTEN TOILET RITUAL |
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One of the contributors to this topic mentioned that mothers can't take their small child to a mens toilet in Korea.
Well, I must disagree. On several occasions I have seen mothers in mens toilets 'helping' their small children. The first time this happened I was very embarassed and would have gone elsewhere if I had not seen Korean men completely ingnoring the precence of a woman in the mens toilet.
Now, when this happens, I simply move as far away as possible and try to ignore the presence of a female in a man's domain.
By the way, in my home country (Australia), mothers take small boys into the womens toilet, NOT the mens. |
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