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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| RachaelRoo wrote: |
Butterfly said:
I understand that it's possible that many Africans are inclined towards more promiscuous behaviour than Europeans,
You should really back up this statement or retract. I find that many white people enjoy a holier than thou attitude when it comes to the primate mokey behaviour of the darkies.
I suspect that people everywhere *beep* all the time as much as they realistically can regardless of skin colour. White people may like to think that we are able to keep our vows of monogomy better than others but I doubt it that this is really true. People are people and are essentially the same regardless of racial differences. |
I find your second sentence rather offensive. If you are joking you should say so...but I find that a rather inapproriate topic to joke about. |
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RachaelRoo
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
Location: Anywhere but Ulsan!
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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Obviously I am not serious when I use those words. I am mocking the white, under the surface attitude of racial superiority than some people have. Perhaps Butterfly simply made an off-hand remark without thinking but I found it horribly inaccurate.
In my opinion, many white people (this can apply to all races too of course, but in my experience) think that they are open-minded and are free of all impure racist thoughts, yet may maintain underlying assumptions that suggest something else. Presumably, it is considered more civilized to maintain monogomous vows in a world with HIV, etc, and Butterfly implied that black people may be less prone to do this. I don't think that this is the case and asked for either evidence or a retraction.
My choice of words was tactless but I was quite shocked by Butterfly's comment. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| RachaelRoo wrote: |
I don't think that this is the case and asked for either evidence or a retraction.
My choice of words was tactless but I was quite shocked by Butterfly's comment. |
I rarely agree with Butterfly on anything, but I can vouch for the fact that he is certainly not a racist. I am sure Butterfly will either cough up the evidence or explain himself. |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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I said that I understand that it's possible that Africans are more promiscuous than Europeans, I didn't state it as fact, so I don't need to back it up. I believe it's possible, so stated it as such, because I did not want someone to throw that point at me, because it's a bit boring, and on the topic we were on, explaining the presence of AIDS in Africa it is neither here nor there since we were talking about how heterosexual behaviour carries minimal risk anyway.
The automatic assumption that I am judging African behaviour, and view them as 'darkies' as you put is really very rude on your part. I even made a reference to my own promiscuity in a later post.
So, since I qualified my statement by stating only that it's possible that Africans are more promiscuous, I need to neither back up nor qualify my statement. |
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RachaelRoo
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
Location: Anywhere but Ulsan!
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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In that case, it's also possible that Africans are less intelligent. I will not back this suggestion up either as it is only a suggestion.
If I make a reference to my own stupidity in an earlier post does that make this OK?
I think that your suggestion is inaccurate in a way that is condescending to other races and that should be enough to ask you to substantiate your 'suggestion'.
And NO, I don't really think that Africans are less intelligent. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| RachaelRoo wrote: |
In that case, it's also possible that Africans are less intelligent. I will not back this suggestion up either as it is only a suggestion.
If I make a reference to my own stupidity in an earlier post does that make this OK?
I think that your suggestion is inaccurate in a way that is condescending to other races and that should be enough to ask you to substantiate your 'suggestion'.
And NO, I don't really think that Africans are less intelligent. |
The topic here is, if the article Butterfly posted is true, then how do we reconcile it with sky-high rates of AIDs in Africa? |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| RachaelRoo wrote: |
| In that case, it's also possible that Africans are less intelligent. I will not back this suggestion up either as it is only a suggestion. |
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| If I make a reference to my own stupidity in an earlier post does that make this OK? |
If I just plain call you stupid. how about that?
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I think that your suggestion is inaccurate in a way that is condescending to other races and that should be enough to ask you to substantiate your 'suggestion'.
And NO, I don't really think that Africans are less intelligent. |
Lady, you said 'darkies'. not me. I think you ought to be asking yourself who the racist is here. See Kuros's post above for a clue. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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>. Absurd they be quarantined. Having said this, if any aware of their deadly health status knowingly engage in unprotected sexual intercourse with another they should be dealt with by the state in accordance.
Interestingly there are a number of stories "out there" re: individuals who were infected & then knowingly went out & shared their contaminated "body fluids" with unsuspecting bedfellows.
Quite disturbing. |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:35 am Post subject: |
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That's a good point Butterfly, and one I have considered myself. The reasons for the rapid spread of the disease in subsaharan Africa amoungst the hetrosexual community are unique. Firstly, the disease started in Africa and there is a school of thought suggesting that it started due to the mass consumption of monkey meat which wasn't cooked thoroughly enough. Thus we would expect to see a greater concentration of the disease in the continent in which it originated. Secondly, certain tribal sexual practices such as widespread anal sex, and the belief that sex with a virgin (virgin women being particuarly susceptible to the disease) cures your condition have led to a more rapid spread of the disease. Thirdly, a lack of personal hygene can lead to a greater chance of the disease spreading from one person to another, and this has no doubt contributed to its rapid spread over there too. Lastly, scientists proved that black people are more susceptible to the disease than their white counterparts due to their genetic make-up.*
The plagues of the Middle Ages have left about 10% of Europeans resistant to HIV, researchers have said.
Biologists at the University of Liverpool say a gene mutation developed in response to pestilences such as the Great Plague of London in 1665-66. |
Yeah but are people of African origin more susceptible to it, even through heterosexual sex? And if certain communities in Africa practice anal sex more frequently than other peoples, then surely this would only spread the disease if it were reciprical anal sex (homosexual) rather than male on female. It just seems like some things don't add up completely, I don't have any agenda, just want to know the truth.
There has been so much agenda in the AIDS issue that one questions everything one reads, not as one would on a news item or article about cancer or diabetes or something.
First gay rights organizations unite with the christian right to tell us that AIDS is everyone's problem and then we get back to people telling us it's a gay / black problem, but there seems to be holes in that, a bit.
I always welly-up anyway. Hoho~!
Here's a theory anyway.
http://www.channel4.com/news/2003/02/week_3/20_aids.html
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They say it has nothing to do with today's controversial research claiming that millions of Africans have been infected with HIV not as a result of unsafe sex, but because doctors injected them with infected needles.
But officials do admit to concern. So how do the figures work out?
If today's report from researchers in America and Germany is right, then Aids in Africa was largely caused by well-meaning doctors practicing western-style health care: initiating mass vaccination campaigns, injectable antibiotics and blood transfusions. |
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Freezer Burn
Joined: 11 Apr 2005
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:55 am Post subject: |
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| Bulsajo wrote: |
| Not all of them, just the gay ones. |
RachaelRoo wrote:
Butterfly said:
I understand that it's possible that many Africans are inclined towards more promiscuous behaviour than Europeans,
You should really back up this statement or retract. I find that many white people enjoy a holier than thou attitude when it comes to the primate mokey behaviour of the darkies.
I suspect that people everywhere *beep* all the time as much as they realistically can regardless of skin colour. White people may like to think that we are able to keep our vows of monogomy better than others but I doubt it that this is really true. People are people and are essentially the same regardless of racial differences.
Urban Myth said abotu RR's post.
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| I find your second sentence rather offensive. If you are joking you should say so...but I find that a rather inapproriate topic to joke about. |
When its a racist remark, people are outraged and offended, demanding an explanation, when its a homophobic comment it doesn't even warrent a reply.
Homophobia is this centurys racism, and we are still in the 60's-70's attitude, comments like Bulsajo's are little minded.
Ignorance and lack of education is a contributing factor to the spread of the HIV virus, when the world is educated and prejudice's and preconceptions of how the virus is spread is changed then maybe we will stand a chance of fighting the disease back. |
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bundangbum
Joined: 23 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 1:57 am Post subject: |
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who gives a flying monkeys (sorry bad pun) about what you say on the internet. Whities whites whites darkies darkies darkies etc etc etc
I dont mean anything by it. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 2:14 am Post subject: |
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| Butterfly wrote: |
| Yeah but are people of African origin more susceptible to it, even through heterosexual sex? |
Well according to the studies I cited I guess they would be because the the gene which constitutes a defence mechanism against HIV/AIDS isn't present in black people.
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| And if certain communities in Africa practice anal sex more frequently than other peoples, then surely this would only spread the disease if it were reciprical anal sex (homosexual) rather than male on female. |
Anal sex is risky irrespective of whether it is reciprical or not. For example, if John Bogomongo had anal sex with a woman and she was infected with HIV/AIDS he stands a much higher chance of catching the disease than he would have had he done it the "conventional" way. He could then find another woman and if he practices anal sex on her then she has a higher chance of catching the disease from him, and so on.
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| It just seems like some things don't add up completely, I don't have any agenda, just want to know the truth. |
I agree that things don't add up entirely, and the stuff I threw into the discussion only partly explains things. South East Asia for example is an anomaly. Interestingly, it has been shown that circumcision helps reduce ones chance of catching the disease. That goes some way in explaining why rates in Korea and Japan have remained so low despite a thriving culture of prostitution.
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RachaelRoo
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
Location: Anywhere but Ulsan!
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:34 am Post subject: |
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butterfly: lady, or man, or whatever you are, what you said is a condescending and racist suggestion and I'm asking you for proof. I don't care if that is not the main topic of the thread - I'm not going to let you get away with this one.
And it's pretty clear that you are too stupid to understand the context of what I wrote, but I challenge you to prove me wrong. Go ahead, back up your racist suggestion. Prove me wrong. Incorporate facts to do this.
It's this underlying, 'let's not call it what it is' racism that gives the rest of us whities a bad name. |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:50 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| The topic here is, if the article Butterfly posted is true, then how do we reconcile it with sky-high rates of AIDs in Africa? |
I didn't read the article posted and haven't followed the thread very closely at all (in large part because I feel the topic question of a quarantine to be absurd), but I do wonder:
Isn't it an accepted fact that AIDS originated in Africa?
Did it not spread widely before it was properly identified and its method of transmission pinpointed?
Doesn't the lack of education and healthcare (e.g. distribution of condoms) in Africa have at least as much- if not more- to do with the spread of AIDS than the possible hyper-promiscuity and/or possible lack of intelligence of the population?
And are poor uneducated people poor and uneducated because they're stupid and promiscuous? Or could there be other explanations?
I don't claim to be an expert on any of this, I'm simply asking questions. |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait
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| Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| RachaelRoo wrote: |
butterfly: lady, or man, or whatever you are, what you said is a condescending and racist suggestion and I'm asking you for proof. I don't care if that is not the main topic of the thread - I'm not going to let you get away with this one.
And it's pretty clear that you are too stupid to understand the context of what I wrote, but I challenge you to prove me wrong. Go ahead, back up your racist suggestion. Prove me wrong. Incorporate facts to do this.
It's this underlying, 'let's not call it what it is' racism that gives the rest of us whities a bad name. |
You're not very bright, are you? |
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