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Things that never happen at hogwan
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 7:49 am    Post subject: Re: Things that never happen at hogwan Reply with quote

Perhaps you're getting tangled up in the multiple negatives, CLG.

If we never "[go] day after day without ever hearing 'shibal!' or 'geysaki!'", then we always go day by day with hearing 'shibal!' or 'geysaki!'

I just thought of an idea:

Every time I hear the word 'shibal!" I'll say, "Oh, so you want to talk about the number eighteen! All right, let's talk about the number eighteen!"

Then I will show them pictures of 18 cats, 18 dogs, 18 trees, and 18 houses.

Now if you will excuse me, I have to make a Google search.
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...

PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 2:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Things that never happen at hogwan Reply with quote

tomato wrote:
Perhaps you're getting tangled up in the multiple negatives, CLG.

If we never "[go] day after day without ever hearing 'shibal!' or 'geysaki!'", then we always go day by day with hearing 'shibal!' or 'geysaki!'
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No, I teach over 1000 middle school boys. The boys swear like sailors, the teachers swear at them too. So no I can't go a single day without hearing swearing. Infact I barely go and hour without hearing a curse.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 3:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Things that never happen at hogwan Reply with quote

crazylemongirl wrote:
tomato wrote:
Perhaps you're getting tangled up in the multiple negatives, CLG.

If we never "[go] day after day without ever hearing 'shibal!' or 'geysaki!'", then we always go day by day with hearing 'shibal!' or 'geysaki!'
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No, I teach over 1000 middle school boys. The boys swear like sailors, the teachers swear at them too. So no I can't go a single day without hearing swearing. Infact I barely go and hour without hearing a curse.


When I taught hogwan I had some middle school (and even elementary) girls who swore up a blue streak, inside and outside the classroom, but I've never once heard it in my public (actually private) middle school classes. In fact I had three hogwan girls who had literally covered every square foot of a classroom with vulgar graffiti. I would love to see how they behaved at their public schools - I'm sure it's night and day.

I'm also starting to take clean walls for granted.
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Snowkr



Joined: 03 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My hogwan is in Wonju. I've only been here 1 month.
We start at 10am and finish at 5:50pm every day. The school closes down (from classes) from 1:50- 3pm every day. Mornings are preschool kids (6-8 per class) and the longest class is about 40 minutes. Afternoons are elementary school kids and a few private students. I work one extra hour each week teaching one on one for overtime.
I'm always home before dark. I do all the prep work at school and it takes very little time.

The kids DO NOT SPEAK KOREAN. Even the youngest ones. It's absolutely AMAZING. I didn't believe it either until I saw for myself. When I was their age I could barely spell fish and here they are spelling words like "apartment" at age 5 and using the word in perfect sentences. I actually forget that I'm in Korea during the workday.

We go to Pizza Hut for everyone's birthday. We watch movies and do playground excursions each week. Every summer the kids do a really cool camp and recreation at some type of water park. I've not done it yet.

Come visit anytime. Our school is next to the new Outback Steakhouse(the only one in Wonju) and directly across from 7Eleven at Danku-dong. It's called A-Z English ESL and it's pretty awesome.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Snowkr wrote:
My hogwan is in Wonju. I've only been here 1 month.
We start at 10am and finish at 5:50pm every day. The school closes down (from classes) from 1:50- 3pm every day. Mornings are preschool kids (6-8 per class) and the longest class is about 40 minutes. Afternoons are elementary school kids and a few private students. I work one extra hour each week teaching one on one for overtime.
I'm always home before dark. I do all the prep work at school and it takes very little time.

The kids DO NOT SPEAK KOREAN. Even the youngest ones. It's absolutely AMAZING. I didn't believe it either until I saw for myself. When I was their age I could barely spell fish and here they are spelling words like "apartment" at age 5 and using the word in perfect sentences. I actually forget that I'm in Korea during the workday.

We go to Pizza Hut for everyone's birthday. We watch movies and do playground excursions each week. Every summer the kids do a really cool camp and recreation at some type of water park. I've not done it yet.

Come visit anytime. Our school is next to the new Outback Steakhouse(the only one in Wonju) and directly across from 7Eleven at Danku-dong. It's called A-Z English ESL and it's pretty awesome.


Nice gig. Just goes to show that there's no excuse for the other 90% of hogwans to suck so severely.

My students are absolutely wonderful, but it sounds like yours are more fluent at 5 than my are at 18!
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2005 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello, !

Doggone it, Yu_bum_suk, it's been a busy weekend for me, and it's all your fault. (Just kidding!)

It's all because of my crazy idea of making a picture book about the number 18. (See my last message.) The first step wasn't so bad. All I had to do was make a Google search for a house, a tree, a cat, a dog, and various other nouns.

But the next step was the hard part. I had to copy each of those pictures and arrange them in 3 rows of 6. Then I had to print them out. I tried printing them out in Flash, but they all came out solid black.

Then I tried arranging my eighteen-fold items in Hangul 2002, but that was enough frustration to threaten my sanity.

So I went to the computer store and told the clerk my sad story. He burned a Fireworks disk for me, and I thanked him profusely.

The tutorial was supposed to take 1 hour, but it was more like 3 hours. I must have an IQ of 33.

It finally worked, though. While I was at it, I copied pictures of Ross, Jay, Genevieve, and Rebecca. They are 18-year-olds whose portraits also appeared in the Google search.

Next weekend, I shall work on a picture book about mountains. When children greet me with a middle-finger salute, I pretend to misunderstand, because that is the Korean sign language symbol for "mountain."

Hello, !

Maybe I didn't get my point across.
According to YBS's message, it is not false that students cuss.
If a statement is not false, it is true.
Therefore, it is true that students cuss.
That is also your contention, is it not?

Linguists tell us that English is unusual in forbidding "I don't have nothing" to mean "I don't have anything."
That is certainly not true in Spanish, in which yo no tengo nada literally means "I don't have nothing."

According to what I learned in History of the English Language class, it was the Archbishop of Canterbury who established that rule for our language.
He studied algebra, where he learned that a negative value times a negative value equals a positive value.
The Spanish-speaking people could argue that it is different in working an addition problem, because a negative value plus a negative value equals a negative value.
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