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[Bulsajo]

Uh, I have to agree. I realize I'm leaving myself open to a big pot-kettle accusation, but EFLt it's your style of posting- I think you alienate people who might otherwise agree with your position if it were expressed somewhat differently.

I don't always agree with Gopher, but I can always follow his argument and- when so many arguments are started over not communicating one's ideas clearly and effectively- that's half the battle.

[EFLtrainer]

[Summer Wine]

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4. Last year was the single worst year for hurricanes in US history, and this year was expected to be the same if not worse... yet NO extra precautions were taken.... even as Katrina approached.

Yes, it is this issue that rises the most in my mind. Why didn't they appear more prepared outside of the expected hurrican area to respond? Nothing happens, stand down. Something happens move in right away, but have everyone ready to act if needed.

I would like to state that the head of FEMA saying on CNN that it is the states role to act first, didn't seem to have the good sense to see that the damage was so absolute that it crippled the states response and in that time, it is the federals position to act quickly and efficiently.

I do understand, that the breaking of the levees may not have been considered by FEMA to have been so likely an event and may not have had helicopters and sand bags on hand to block any possible breeches of the levees before the damage became too severe, though they could have still been better prepared, from what I have read and heard.

[Kuros]

For the record, EFLTrainer, I don't think you are stupid and I might even concede that you are intelligent. It's just that you come across as fairly obnoxious and the effect is self-defeating. Re: BB's repeated remarks on (one of) the problem(s) with many of the Democrats.

[Kuros]

[EFLtrainer]

[Gopher]

[EFLtrainer]

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[Wrench]

Man they should just call the dutch they know everything about not sinking into the ocean. Any way look what Canucks did in Winnipeg when they had the major flooding.

[EFLtrainer]

[ontheway]

Bush and the Levees:

It's easy today, after the storm, to blame people for not funding some projects around N.O. Actually, hundreds of billions (more likely trillions) of dollars of pet projects go unfunded. Iraq, Afghanistan, or the entire US military's funding couldn't fund all of these projects. Who among you spoke out about this a year ago. So, for all of the experts out there: what is the next big unfunded project that should be funded?

It isn't the President that introduces spending bills in the US. All spending bills must be introduced first in the House of Representatives. They are passed there and sent to the Senate. Passed there, probably after some joint reconcilliation committee, and THEN sent to the President. Did Bush VETO funding for N.O. levee projects?

Yes, I know that the president submits his proposed budget to congress, but it has to be introduced by a member. And congress can and does still do what they want.

Fact is, every Senator and Congressman (with the exception of ONE: Congressman Ron Paul of Texas) is busy getting his or her hands on as big a piece of pork as possible. It all passes in big bills and the Prez. just gives it to them. Louisiana is represented by both Rs and Ds. They just couldn't get the muscle in Congress to get the bucks. But, since they all did get millions, they also didn't put these projects on the top of their priority lists.

It's also true, and preached continually in the environmental community, that the real problem is the continuous rapid development all along the thousands of miles of US coastline. This means that there are thousands of New Orleans type places waiting for a similar storm. They can't all be protected by multi billion dollar projects. Which one out of the thousands should be built. The government needs to tell people all along the US coast that the taxpayers will NOT be rebuilding their houses and businesses after every hurricane and that people shouldn't build there, or do so at their own risk.

That said. Bush is still an idiot for his foreign policy. He hired cronies to run FEMA. His management of this disaster is a bigger disaster. But the levees are not his fault.

Finally, if by some miracle, the funding that had not been passed before Bush, was passed on his first day in office, it is almost impossible that the engineering design and construction would have been completed for THIS hurricane. The projects that are really needed to protect New Orleans (sitting below sea level) are just too big to do that fast. At least according to my time studying major structural design and construction in college (civil engineering).

[igotthisguitar]

Why dump a bunch of money into it if you're just gonna turn around & blow it up?

Ordo Ab Chao

VIDEO: Earwitness tells ABC explosives blew Industrial Canal levee
Total Information Analysis | September 12 2005

Total411.info has obtained video of an ABC News report featuring an earwitness to explosives used to destroy the Industrial Canal in New Orleans.

Here's the video, and here's the transcript:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2005/120905explosivesblew.htm

[Bulsajo]

So how many times are going to post this amazing EARWITNESS post?
If it's important enough for multiple postings then I expect- no, I DEMAND- you spell it out for us.
What's so important here? What does this mean?

Cut the BS and have the balls to actually say something for once in your life.

[igotthisguitar]