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| It should be lowered to 12 |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Good points Cat. Not to metion that the only reason Gays were the initial transmitters in the West was because Reagan and his administration of god fearing, race hating bigots wouldn't let the CDC warn gay men that there was a new disease spreading via unprotected sex. It wasn't until HIV entered the donated blood system that Reagan and his cronies would allow the CDC to warn the gay community. So it was not gays fault but straight, old, christian, white guys who let the disease spread out of control because they were afraid to even speak the dreaded word GAY. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:40 am Post subject: |
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| Moldy Rutabaga wrote: |
| ...if sexual consent is raised; rather than people between 13 and 16 thinking the law is an invasion, a larger demographic thinks the law is an invasion. |
No.
Most adults don't think adults should be having sex with 14 year olds. That's the invasion. Full stop. |
In Canada the age of consent is 14. And I haven't seen a single outraged adult campaigning to have it changed. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:43 am Post subject: |
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| Octavius Hite wrote: |
the problem was that, as usual, conservatives (MWM, etc) twist and lie when it comes to the subject at hand. Canada and canadians are clearly against pedophilia, we are one of the only countries in the world where if you leave and go to say Cambodia and engage in pedophilia you can be charged under canadian law.
Its funny too that conservatives love to say that if a 14 year old commits murder he should be responsible and sentenced as an adult but they can't make a choice about sex, see the the hypocrisy magicwolfman! |
Actually in Canada they can. No hypocrisy here  |
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Demonicat
Joined: 18 Nov 2004
Location: Suwon
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 1:46 am Post subject: |
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| we are one of the only countries in the world where if you leave and go to say Cambodia and engage in pedophilia you can be charged under canadian law. |
USA has that law too! Just started last year, but we have it! We are also quite famous for carnivore. We are anti-NAMBLA 100%.
Though I think this thread is more about late teens (17 yo's) then children. At least I hope so...WTF is this thread about anyway? Is the OP having thoughts that are better not thought? |
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red dog
Joined: 31 Oct 2004
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I think the original topic of the discussion was the need for legislators to strike the best balance between protecting young people from exploitation and avoiding a situation where a 16-year-old boy can go to jail for having consensual sex with his 15-year-old girlfriend.
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Where I'm from (Victoria, Australia), the law recognises that young people are naturally curious about sex and shouldn't be punished for that.
You can be 10 and legally have sex with another ten year old, but no older than a 12 year old (it's two year age gap thing) and no one under 10. This 2 year age rule exists up to the age of 16. If you're 17, you just can't have sex with anyone whose care you're supposed to be in (such as a teacher, social worker etc.) even if you both consent.
Sex by the way, by it's legal definition, is not just penis/vagina or anus intercourse but includes any sexual activity from oral sex to exploring fingers, tongues, mouths and hands. |
That sounds like an attempt to achieve a balance. But if the article linked to the OP is really accurate and complete, Canadian politicians just aren't doing their job at all. I thought difference in age did matter in Canadian law? And couldn't people get married at 12 with parental consent until very recently? Does anyone know? |
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Freezer Burn
Joined: 11 Apr 2005
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 2:32 am Post subject: |
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Why is it the boys fault, the girl could've been the driving force if you know what I mean, Im just saying.. 
I don't think the age should change at all, what Octavious Hite said earlier, the only thing that needs changing is the education we provide young adults.
Kids are going to have sex no matter what, if we can't stop them at least we can make it safer. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 3:24 am Post subject: |
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I voted yes before reading it so I didn't realise how low the age of consent actually was.  |
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red dog
Joined: 31 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 5:26 am Post subject: |
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Why is it the boys fault, the girl could've been the driving force if you know what I mean, Im just saying..
I don't think the age should change at all, what Octavious Hite said earlier, the only thing that needs changing is the education we provide young adults.
Kids are going to have sex no matter what, if we can't stop them at least we can make it safer. |
Sorry, maybe I didn't make my point clearly enough. Consensual sex between a 15- and 16-year-old was my example of a situation where the law shouldn't intervene. But if the guy is 40, that's a different story and I find it hard to believe it's really legal in Canada. I don't think it is. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Good points Cat. Not to metion that the only reason Gays were the initial transmitters in the West was because Reagan and his administration of god fearing, race hating bigots wouldn't let the CDC warn gay men that there was a new disease spreading via unprotected sex. It wasn't until HIV entered the donated blood system that Reagan and his cronies would allow the CDC to warn the gay community. So it was not gays fault but straight, old, christian, white guys who let the disease spread out of control because they were afraid to even speak the dreaded word GAY. |
Umm, maybe they were responsible for not responding quickly enough and for racist behavior, but to blame them for the spread of AIDS? Isn't that a stretch?
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| Sorry, maybe I didn't make my point clearly enough. Consensual sex between a 15- and 16-year-old was my example of a situation where the law shouldn't intervene. But if the guy is 40, that's a different story and I find it hard to believe it's really legal in Canada. I don't think it is. |
Unfortunately it is and LIBERALS in Canada are not doing their job. It was the conservatives who tried to amend the legislation.
One thing that I really like about this nation is the innocence of the children. When I was working in Jeju, the 13 year olds hated the possibility of sitting next to the opposite sex. They don't date till they are 18/19. It really is beautiful, because they have time to be kids. There is no social pressure on them saying they have to have sex at such and such a time.
However, I guess it depends on the culture and depth of maturity they are at. If they are willing to risk to chance pregnancy and std's, then I would have to say they are not at the maturity level. Which, then makes me believe that you should have to be married by the time you have sex, but hey that's not freedom of choice. Maybe just wisdom.
I guess my question to others would be what constitutes the appropriate age? Just because it feels good, do it? |
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red dog
Joined: 31 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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Unfortunately it is and LIBERALS in Canada are not doing their job. It was the conservatives who tried to amend the legislation.
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The law they proposed was not well thought out. Regardless of what you think about young people having sex, most Canadians wouldn't accept a law that makes a criminal out of a 16-year-old whose partner is 15. They should have taken age differences into account, if existing laws don't already do this. And I find it very hard to believe that's the case. |
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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| The Reagan Whitehouse activily opposed warning people, particularly gay people about the new disease. IN fact they were content to never deal with until it started attacking straight middle class people then admin got off its a** and started to deal with the problem, by then it was too late and the disease was unstoppable. There is no garuntee that the US government could have stopped it but millions have died needlessly becaused they refused to deal with it. Sounds very familiar doesn't it. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 2:25 am Post subject: |
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Fiveeagles wrote:
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Unfortunately it is and LIBERALS in Canada are not doing their job. It was the conservatives who tried to amend the legislation.
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The law they proposed was not well thought out. Regardless of what you think about young people having sex, most Canadians wouldn't accept a law that makes a criminal out of a 16-year-old whose partner is 15. They should have taken age differences into account, if existing laws don't already do this. And I find it very hard to believe that's the case. |
What you believe or not is not the issue. The issue is that 14 is the age of consent in Canada UNLESS the older person is in a position of trust or authority over the other person like a student-teacher relationship. I don't think that age difference matters. There are plenty of people in relationships whose partner is 10-20 years older. IMO 14 is a bit young, but that's the law. |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:34 am Post subject: |
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| fiveeagles wrote: |
One thing that I really like about this nation is the innocence of the children. When I was working in Jeju, the 13 year olds hated the possibility of sitting next to the opposite sex. They don't date till they are 18/19. It really is beautiful, because they have time to be kids. There is no social pressure on them saying they have to have sex at such and such a time.
However, I guess it depends on the culture and depth of maturity they are at. If they are willing to risk to chance pregnancy and std's, then I would have to say they are not at the maturity level. Which, then makes me believe that you should have to be married by the time you have sex, but hey that's not freedom of choice. Maybe just wisdom.
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OK, perhaps I should have my head examined for even responding to anything you say, but I don't think that you understand that the real reason kids here don't date until they're in their 20s (if that!) is that their childhood is robbed from them by the inept school system that has them spending so much time in school, hogwons, study rooms, etc. that they don't even have time to eat properly or sleep. Sure, it keeps down teenage pregnancy and delinquency rates, but at what cost?
I'm sure even you think that it might be nice if they had a little more time to spend in church, or bible study, rather than a hogwon, right? |
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drcrazy
Joined: 19 Feb 2003
Location: Pusan. Yes, that's right. Pusan NOT Busan. I ain't never been to no place called Busan
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:51 am Post subject: |
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| Good points Cat. Not to metion that the only reason Gays were the initial transmitters in the West was because Reagan and his administration of god fearing, race hating bigots wouldn't let the CDC warn gay men that there was a new disease spreading via unprotected sex. It wasn't until HIV entered the donated blood system that Reagan and his cronies would allow the CDC to warn the gay community. So it was not gays fault but straight, old, christian, white guys who let the disease spread out of control because they were afraid to even speak the dreaded word GAY. |
When I was college in the mid-west in 1979, there was a guy in my dorm from San Fran. He was telling us about gay cancer. We all thought he was nuts. It was not until 1983 that I first hear about it on the news. Then it was 24/7 like it was something that just popped up. |
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The Man known as The Man
Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!
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| Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:16 pm Post subject: Re: Do you think the age of consenting sex should be raised? |
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| fiveeagles wrote: |
http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20050928/C313_ageofconsentbill_20050928
I personally think it should be raised to 16 or 17. What do you think? |
I'm glad Mary didn't think a whit what people like you would think when she agreed to obey the LORD. |
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